Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says a FETUS is the same as a BRAIN-DEAD Person.

She is an idiot.
SCIENCE says that a fetus has a beating heart at 5-6 weeks.
At 5-6 weeks, the brain starts to develop and show brain activity = an alive brain (not brain dead).
The zygote has unique DNA from the mother and father.

From a religious perspective, God says that he knew each of us before we were born.

Jeremiah 1 1
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

a reply to: carewemust

God isn't real, humans made him up for power.

a reply to: carewemust

You become a living person when you take your first breath out side the uterus. Before that the fetus is completely dependent on the mother or uterus to survive until it can on its own.

I always been pro choice I think that nobody should have the right to dictate what I as a women should do or not with my uterus.

I base my believes in reality no emotions, but I also believe that waiting for an abortion when the fetus is form is wrong, so I am all for abortions before the first trimester.

And I will never change my mind, too many factors when it comes to abortion and life to even fight for the right to keep that choice.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

Yes, a fetus do not have consciousness until is born, if we did we would remember when we were in the uterus, so the justice is right.

Interestingly the bible in genesis talks about it.

I have to disagree. A newborn baby does not remember a thing. A one month old baby does not remember a thing. A 6 month old baby does not remember things. Some studies believe (but it is not fact) that people MAYBE can remember things from 2.5 years old....but that is just maybe.

God says that he knew us before we were born which establishes that unborn babies are alive and have souls.

Edit to clarify...an adult does not remember from those young ages.

a reply to: shaemac

You are entitle to your opinions, I will no longer post anymore in this thread. I am pro choice always been and as a women is my choice to choose and nobody should take that choice away.

originally posted by: shaemac
She is an idiot.
SCIENCE says that a fetus has a beating heart at 5-6 weeks.
At 5-6 weeks, the brain starts to develop and show brain activity = an alive brain (not brain dead).
The zygote has unique DNA from the mother and father.

From a religious perspective, God says that he knew each of us before we were born.

Jeremiah 1 1
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

Thank-you! I was hoping a medical professional would chime in. That's why I placed this thread in the MEDICAL forum.

a reply to: carewemust

Where does God say this?

originally posted by: lordcomac
a reply to: carewemust

God isn't real, humans made him up for power.

Yeah...like human-created climate change. I hear ya.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: shaemac

You are entitle to your opinions, I will no longer post anymore in this thread. I am pro choice always been and as a women is my choice to choose and nobody should take that choice away.

And you are entitled to yours.

You are NOT entitled to post easily provable falsehoods without being called out for repeating obvious lies.

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

You do not have the right to tell me what to believe or not, I have my believes and deal with it, is my choice.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: carewemust

Where does God say this?

Do you have to be told everything? We know by instinct, not to mess with someone else's property.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

You become a living person when you take your first breath out side the uterus. Before that the fetus is completely dependent on the mother or uterus to survive until it can on its own.

I always been pro choice I think that nobody should have the right to dictate what I as a women should do or not with my uterus.

I base my believes in reality no emotions, but I also believe that waiting for an abortion when the fetus is form is wrong, so I am all for abortions before the first trimester.

And I will never change my mind, too many factors when it comes to abortion and life to even fight for the right to keep that choice.

God knows your heart. What GOD THINKS is what matters. All humans are equal. Our thoughts on a given subject carry pretty much the same weight.

a reply to: carewemust

God gives original sin when we are born, not when we are inside the womb.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

You do not have the right to tell me what to believe or not, I have my believes and deal with it, is my choice.

I do not, did not, and will not. You are free to have any dumb BELIEF that you want. As are all of us.

You are NOT entitled to post easily provable falsehoods without being challenged on the incorrect science.

Nor is a justice with IQ of toddler.

Or any other democrat.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: carewemust

God gives original sin when we are born, not when we are inside the womb.

In God's eyes we're all beautiful, carrying out our assigned roles. Sometimes even before birth!

a reply to: carewemust

Actually, it's true for Democrats:

Brain-dead in womb
Brain-dead after coming out of womb
Brain-dead at the polls
Brain dead after going back in the grave ( but they can still VOTE...)

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood
a reply to: marg6043


Have we invented a soul meter yet?

Or are you just making stuff up based on your Feelz?

And she didn't just say no soul, she said brain dead tissue.

Easily provable through existing science. She knows this. Democrats know this. You know this.

So why all the flat out false propaganda on the subject?

Liberals also believe there are 32 genders or whatever, so there is that.

a reply to: marg6043

Like this one? Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." God directly created a body for Adam out of the dust, but there was no life in it. A baby conceived in the womb is different, because there is life the moment of conception. A baby's heartbeat can be detected between the 18th and 25th day after conception (and that is just when man can detect that it starts). Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as 43 days after conception (and, once again, that is just when man was able to record them). At 9 to 10 weeks after conception, a baby squints, swallows, moves his tongue, and if you stroke his palm, he will make a fist (all of this in the womb). At 11 to 12 weeks after conception, a baby sucks his thumb vigorously and breathes his amniotic fluid to develop the organs of respiration (done in the womb). All of the body systems are functioning by 12 weeks after conception (all in the womb). The tiny baby is a living being, not a lifeless blob of matter.

a reply to: carewemust

Again, where does God say this?

Yes, under God's eyes we are all beautiful, I guess. But God washed his hands of destiny, and left the sins pf our parents on us, a sort of old generational debt thing. He doesn't have a say in our lives at all really.

a reply to: shaemac

Thank-you for the valuable info. I didn't know that age 2.5 is the furthest back anyone has ever remembered.