France on the Verge of Civil War

a reply to: Arnie123

California is also a microcosm where you see the same forces at work in France.

You have the wealthy technocratic elites living in the cities, pushing policies that drive up prices. You have the poor and immigrants colonizing and pushing out the middle class who end up living on the periphery where they are bearing the brunt of certain costs like high fuel and energy prices because they still must work in the cities.

It's a similar scenario to France.

originally posted by: generik

originally posted by: Granitebones
Wont last long. Both sides will engage in a synchronizsed surrenderafter the first shot is fired. The shortest civil war in history.

the "french surrender" jokes are getting old. did the french surrender during ww1? no, they didn't they fought for years, through hell during that war. in fact loosing an extreme number of their men in doing so.

they did surrender during ww2. but they were well and truly screwed. quite simply they were unprepared for war, just as the British, their independent colonies, and even the US were at the time. all of which had spent all the time after ww1 decreasing their military spending, and forces to "poverty levels". sure they designed and built a few new vehicles and weapons, but not near enough. and also limited themselves through treaties like the Washington Naval Treaty. which not only reduced the amount of sea power they could have, but also disallowed things like upgrading and building new protection in places like the Philippines.

the Germans on the other hand had been working hard to upgrade their military, pretty much as soon as the treaty of Versailles was signed. completely ignoring the treaty. a lot of work and study and building of equipment and tactics of tanks and aircraft (which they were prohibited from having), being done in Russia during that same time. plus other secret ventures such as "working for and in other countries". not to mention working on war plans. so while the French and everyone else was cutting their military, the Germans were working to strengthen theirs.

the french also relied on the Maginot line. which worked well. except that the Germans made it around it much faster than expected. which meant that France and Britain couldn't get their troops there fast enough, and with their outdated, and not enough equipment and troops, against the German's advanced, and more plentiful equipment and troops had the allies beat. the french really had no chance at that point. especially when the British, cut off sending more, needed aircraft to support them. it was not even close to the French just giving in and surrendering, without trying. they were soundly beat first.

Not here they aren't lofty.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

Yes but it wasn't some BS tax imposed by the monarchy, now it was a tax decided by a government that represented the colonies. No matter how corrupt it became later it was still light years better than being ruled from thousands of miles away.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

Yes but it wasn't some BS tax imposed by the monarchy, now it was a tax decided by a government that represented the colonies. No matter how corrupt it became later it was still light years better than being ruled from thousands of miles away.

A dollar is a dollar.

Ahhh France where the national pastime is going on strike, closely followed by revolution, with soccer a distant third.

Every time I tried to visit France while living in Germany the country went on strike so I took my hint and stayed home.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

Yes but it wasn't some BS tax imposed by the monarchy, now it was a tax decided by a government that represented the colonies. No matter how corrupt it became later it was still light years better than being ruled from thousands of miles away.

A dollar is a dollar.

it was "without representation" that was the bugger all

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

Yes, we are rapidly sliding further into authoritarianism. Apologies its not as quick as you'd like.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Weird that before there was a firm coupling of govt, and big tech that there wasn't a notion of "exceptionally partisan."

When half the population doesn't want what they are selling, suddenly there's a problem?

Remember that "No taxation without representation" rebellion?

How much are you being taxed now, for things you can't use, or don't want, and over which you have no say?

Immediately after the revolutionary war the brand new Constitution actually gave Congress the power to impose taxes and other levies on the general public.

Seems the new nation wasted a particularly good rebellion, there.

Yes, we are rapidly sliding further into authoritarianism. Apologies its not as quick as you'd like.

I assure you, I would rather that power was exclusively in the hands of the citizens and not centralized. No powerful and populist 'strong' leaders but rather, a system that ensures justice for all, and a balance between individual freedom, and social duty of care of one citizen to another and basic human rights.