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originally posted by: ColeYounger
Yes, Jesus Christ is God.
Begotten, not created
John 10: 30 ”The Father and I are one."
originally posted by: Smigg
When you say the church are you referring to the Catholic church ?
originally posted by: DISRAELI
originally posted by: Smigg
When you say the church are you referring to the Catholic church ?
No, I am referring to the Christian church in general, which was still a comparatively united body in those days. The Catholic community does NOT have a monopoly on the word "church".
The official teaching of the Chrsitian denominations in general is still bound by the decisions of the early church in its understanding of the Incarnation and its implications.
originally posted by: Smigg
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Smigg
No, there is another way of interpreting the situation, which has been in use since the earliest centuries of the church.
The Catholic church you mean ?
originally posted by: DISRAELI
originally posted by: Smigg
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Smigg
No, there is another way of interpreting the situation, which has been in use since the earliest centuries of the church.
The Catholic church you mean ?
I've answered this question once, and you've already noticed and responded to my answer. So why are you asking it again? I refer you to my original reply.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Smigg
I suggest that you go away and learn something about church history. Then you woukd be able to understand the difference between the church and catholicism. I can't bridge that gap of ignorance in the space of a forum post.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: TzarChasm
You make a fundamental error in your assumption, the same as the Muhammadans whom deny that even the crucifixion took place and include yet another garbled account based on blasphemous infancy Gospel of Thomas
- (which has nothing to do with St Thomas the Apostle and included a Garbled account of an even earlier story from Coptic Egypt, in that one he was a very small child at the bank's of the Nile and made two DOVES from the clay of the Nile breathing life into them and by the time it got to the heretical and GNOSTIC Infancy Gospel which was written at it's earliest late second century it had turned into a flock of sparrows by a completely different river in a Palestine and he killed two bully's one in a perversion of the story of the Fig Tree he caused to wither in the REAL gospels - and NO to those that believe that Gnostic text Jesus NEVER killed those Children, Pretty sure he would have become a pariah and been hated and feared if he had and seen as a devil child perhaps even murdered by the Rabbi's of the time - or they would have tried to - so it also makes no sense and was written by Gnostics whom were known liars) - Jesus said God is a Spirit, he is the Word of God Made FLESH so he is SPIRIT MADE FLESH get it, no let me explain.
DIVINE as in GOD's Spirit made Flesh can not REALLY die except as FLESH, his mortal form was KILLED, no REALLY KILLED on that cross but he only LET IT DIE when it had been ACOMPLISHED, before that the scourging alone would have killed you and me never mind the blood loss from that scourging.
There are those that deny the Turin Shroud which shows a man with Jewish orthodox wrapping on his arm and forehead as well as the injury's and the crown of thorns and the NAIL HOLES it he UPPER HAND between the lower bones of the wrist were it would hold the weight and not tear the flesh perfectly.
When he ASCENDED after appearing rather more spiritual than physical and able to simply disappear from sight or appear different so that even his closest apostles did not immediately recognise him until he revealed himself he ascended with cloud's, now have you ever seen a spirit that looks like mist because I most definitely have, He ascended and turned back into spirit as he entered back into the HIGHEST spiritual realm.
Also you make the common mistake of saying it can not be done but GOD can do ANYTHING even DIE and take back up his life.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Smigg
NO. The Christian church in general was founded in A.D. 30.
I take it that you understand "Catholic church" as meaning that organisation centred upon the Pope?
Then the best way of answering your question is to say that THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DID NOT EXIST IN A.D. 30.
The catholic church, in that sense, developed in the middle ages in the western portion of Europe, and even then was never more than one local segment of the church in general.
That's why I am telling you to go and learn about church history. You need to educate yourself into understanding the difference. The difficulties in your understanding don't come from me being "tricky"; they come from your ignorance, and your failure to appreciate the full value of words.