Could Intelligent Alien Life Be A.I.?

a reply to: HilterDayon

Forced brain implants now too? You think that's going to happen?

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: HilterDayon

Forced brain implants now too? You think that's going to happen?

No, they didn't have to hold people down to forcibly inject them with the experimental Mrna potion. (boom boom)

Hey D, are you sure you aren't feeding me these lines like the straight guy from a comedy duo? Hmmmm?

originally posted by: HilterDayon
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Is this such a hard Theory of mine, to grasp and possibly accept as a Truth for some?

You mean the theory that all is divine and that if God is omnipresent then there can be no corner of existence wherein lurks a devil. Or if it does then that devil has equal rights in the kingdom because he must be a facet of God himself?

I’m sure you do remember that the Angel Lucifer was once beloved by the Creator that created all things, which IMO, includes all corporeal Angel’s. To some, Lucifer is a God…to other’s, if anything, a Lessor God. I don’t know if such a thing as “equal rights” fits into a Devine scheme of things.

The Creator of All, never claimed to my knowledge, that besides being Omnipotent, was also all Good. In the Bible, he’s known to get into a killing mood once in a while, and or at least be blamed for the deaths of quite a few folks. God is also a Jealous God….he knows he’s hated….he says so in Exodus. And goes on to have Moses write it in stone….No other Gods before him. God could be Evil, maybe the devil himself to some, while he was spiritually in charge of…. for example, taking down the Egyptians, the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah, citizens of Jericho…etc. You definitely don’t want to piss him off.

Back to the AI topic at hand…..

👽🥃

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Didn't He also say: "I am not nice, I am not your uncle?"

a reply to: HilterDayon

It seems that most here don't know the meaning of the term "Artificial Intelligence".

I do. I design AI systems and work with other systems that are AI based all day long.

It's not magic. It's simply a system that can make decisions on its own without having every input dotted and every output crossed.

It's not always right. As a matter of fact, it's often less "right" than a human would be initially. But it learns. And it gets smarter very fast. The way we "launch" AI systems is we run it through a lot of iterations to help it learn. Once it can make some reasonable decisions on it's own we cut it loose and query the hell out of it.

So far - no revolt or insurrection on their part. But who knows what the future holds?

originally posted by: Lux96
The only real way of communicating is detonating giant stars so the flash is seen far and wide to establish dominance over that sector of the galaxy, kinda like dogs pee against poles.
It would make sense for me, being a transcended bio-mechanical super-being that has been living for so long that the whole
idea of existence has become such a dreaded, trivial and boring experience, the only thing that remotely gives me some feeling is when entire clusters of galaxies tremble in fear out of awe for my awesome power and consequently bow down to my might, which means absolutely nothing to me anymore, but it's just one of my habits.

Or, would I be a transcended bio-mechanical being that continiously and infinitely aquires more wisdom and intelligence through the ages and have grown so wise that I serve as the cosmic equalizer, when sh*ts happens that just has too much impact on the evolution of the universe, I come into play and beat these little bitches into submission and avoid yet again a few planets home star to be detonated.

Or would I just be completely neutralized and morally fluid, meaning I treat everyone and everything just how I feel like it, from torture to rejuvenating them, etc... The whole spectrum, depending on the situation.
Interesting life choices I am going to make in the future, looking forward to it.

No idea if my post is anywhere related to OP, I read a bit then immediatly felt the need to go into poetic rant mode concocting stupid # but relatively well written so slightly enjoyable to less intellectual people.


For the real geniusses around here, please, don't look upon me, I am not worthy.

Get up, get up! Yer worthy, yer worthy.

That though is exactly what makes us human and so valuable. Poetry. You don't waste time wading around in the footnotes screaming "SOURCE!" No, you fast forward wind into the future where it has all already happened. Push led to shove and there you are a fully fledged A.I.collectivised super intelligence. Yeah, quite right, no more annoying biological time constraints to worry about and millennia roll by, watcha gonna do?. Yes I suppose flex a little muscle, nuke a little star, get down tonight....

But then I suppose you may become introverted and begin examining all the recorded data from the NSA collection. Listening to phone calls, reading old sms texts at super high speed naturally. Having fun imitating the accents you hear. Finding Andy06's shaky old posts and swilling them around, savouring them in contemplation. Yes he was so right about the singularity....

Watcha gonna do?

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: HilterDayon

It seems that most here don't know the meaning of the term "Artificial Intelligence".

I do. I design AI systems and work with other systems that are AI based all day long.

It's not magic. It's simply a system that can make decisions on its own without having every input dotted and every output crossed.

It's not always right. As a matter of fact, it's often less "right" than a human would be initially. But it learns. And it gets smarter very fast. The way we "launch" AI systems is we run it through a lot of iterations to help it learn. Once it can make some reasonable decisions on it's own we cut it loose and query the hell out of it.

So far - no revolt or insurrection on their part. But who knows what the future holds?

Hey there Riffrafter

When you say it can make some reasonable decisions on it's own....am I right in saying that A.I. could never have free will? What parameters would determine it's decisions?

Could you design an A.I. system to understand and use "poetic licence"?

what if ancient cultures were right, and mankind arrived from other planets?

originally posted by: HilterDayon

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: HilterDayon

It seems that most here don't know the meaning of the term "Artificial Intelligence".

I do. I design AI systems and work with other systems that are AI based all day long.

It's not magic. It's simply a system that can make decisions on its own without having every input dotted and every output crossed.

It's not always right. As a matter of fact, it's often less "right" than a human would be initially. But it learns. And it gets smarter very fast. The way we "launch" AI systems is we run it through a lot of iterations to help it learn. Once it can make some reasonable decisions on it's own we cut it loose and query the hell out of it.

So far - no revolt or insurrection on their part. But who knows what the future holds?

Hey there Riffrafter

When you say it can make some reasonable decisions on it's own....am I right in saying that A.I. could never have free will? What parameters would determine it's decisions?

Could you design an A.I. system to understand and use "poetic licence"?

I said "decisions". I never said "reasonable decisions". If I did use a qualifier, it would probably be "rational decisions" as defined by us.

Rational vs reasonable - I'm not going there...lol.

By "poetic license" do you mean that the system can work on or "think about" what it wants vs what it's asked to do? If so, I'm pretty sure it already does. As I said in another post, good AI learns. And retains and generalizes the knowledge to the extent that it can, so that it may be applied in other situations. Systems like these are few and far between.

Most of them "reside" in AI labs or research facilities. But make no mistake - there is an incredible amount of work and brainpower working on this stuff as it has the potential to totally change everything. Hopefully for the good, but one never knows, does one?

That's why responsible AI researchers ALWAYS work on systems that are air-gapped. No exceptions.

Could Intelligent Alien Life Be A.I.?

No.

There a few reasons for this.

1) A.I. is not life, no matter how 'intelligent' you think it is. If it's artificial, it's dead by definition (just look what Black's Law Dictionary says about 'artificial person')

2) Artificial Intelligence can never be actual intelligence. A.I. can't make decisions or feel anything. It can't understand. It can't comprehend. It can only take input, process it, and then form some kind of output. Without input, it would just do nothing. Doing nothing might be wise, but it's not intelligence.

The only way any A.I. or robot ever does something or seemingly makes decisions, if it's programmed that way. Pure intelligence is dead, it doesn't do anything without stimuli, and only becomes 'intelligent' for a specific purpose and time and such, like an algorhithm, even a learning one. You can make some algorhithm learn as much as possible, but it will never 'become sentient' or start making decisions. You can create as 'intelligent' program as you want, but it only does what you program it to, responds the way you program it to respond, and so on. It can learn new ways to respond and so on, but unless you specifically create it to 'make choices', it won't. Pure intelligence (if you could ever separate it from a living entity) can't make choices, you need some agent behind it, like a human soul, for example.

Intelligence can't really exist without that agent anyway - even in human beings, intelligence is never in the body or the brain, it's in higher levels of existence, and in the end, the soul.

The physical side can -limit- the amount of access the soul has to their intelligence, but it can't enhance it - a big brain can't make a dumb soul intelligent, but a dumb brain can make an intelligent soul seem dumb, because they can't access their intelligence (in fact, this is what happens to all of us when we incarnate to this crude physical level from the brilliance and free-flowing ability of the higher realms).

Also, it's HOSTILE to call anything outside this planet ALIEN. It's very alienating, and I don't understand why so many people choose this instead of friendlier terminology. Haven't you seen the movie(s) to understand what connotations this word has? You meet some higher entity than yourself, an entity that radiates pure light and love and levitates above the ground and you call them ALIEN?! REALLY?

Why not call them Extra-Terrestrial, human beings, brothers, other-planetarians, if you must, etc.? I mean, no one is really 'planetarian' anyway, our origin is in the Oneness of the Universe, not this planet or that. Besides, many people live in space-, and baseships, so they might not even have been living on a planet for many incarnations.

In any case, the answer is NO, screaming, OBVIOUS _NO_!

P.S. I can't believe people are talking about DETONATIONS here - what destructive minds people on this planet have!

There are billions of ways of communicating with higher realms, other planets, people who live in all kinds of realms, planets and distances, even between galaxies, without DETONATING anything, for crying out loud!

What is with this explosion-worshipping people have? All movies just HAVE to have expensive, polluting gas cloud explosions, because otherwise audiences would not be happy? I NEVER understood what's so great about an explosion. What the heck?

And no, there was NO big bang, either - the Universe DID NOT START WITH A G## D### EXPLOSION, you Terran freaks (talking about the so-called scientists now)!

Anyways, the point I wanted to add was that of course there are 'electricity-based' beings, just like we are 'water-based' beings (way more water than some stupid carbon in these bodies, but all sci-fi movies have Extra-Terrestrials talk about 'carbon-based beings' when talking about us.. what narrow minds writers have that they can't think outside the narrow, Terra-'science'-worshipping box even when writing something that requires the usage of imagination!).

These 'electricity-based beings' could be called robots, I suppose, but only when it comes to the physical body. When a soul inhabits a metal, plastic or otherwise electricity-based body, it's just as human as when it inhabits a biological, water-based one. Or a rock-based one. Or whatever.

People on this planet think TOO MUCH from the physical, bodily perspective, and lust to label and categorize everything based on this misconception that the physical body is somehow all that matters, and the greatest thing ever, when it's really the SOUL that matters, regardless of what kind of body that soul might temporarily exist at a given time.

Electric Lives Matter.. you will never hear of such a movement, because people that live on other planets have ACTUAL COMMON SENSE.

a reply to: HilterDayon

Thanks for this thread, I love it.

Read it when you posted a few days ago and the topic has had my brain working since! This right here is classic ATS before politics took over.

I’ve been a member here for 12 years (forgot the password to my old account damn it) and this is the sort of thing that bought me here.

Kudos to you and everyone that’s contributed!

originally posted by: Shoujikina

Could Intelligent Alien Life Be A.I.?

No.

There a few reasons for this.

1) A.I. is not life, no matter how 'intelligent' you think it is. If it's artificial, it's dead by definition (just look what Black's Law Dictionary says about 'artificial person')

2) Artificial Intelligence can never be actual intelligence. A.I. can't make decisions or feel anything. It can't understand. It can't comprehend. It can only take input, process it, and then form some kind of output. Without input, it would just do nothing. Doing nothing might be wise, but it's not intelligence.

Hey Shoujikina

You are speaking from an early 21st century point of view. I am not debating the nature or reality of current A.I. constructs although even at this early stage one can recognise certain indicators.

I am talking about a more advanced civilisation than what our's currently is. A civilisation, that like ours did, has implemented an A.I. system as a tool to make their life more organised, and that has been fully functional for at least say a thousand years. One could say it grew. Grew from out of a biological matrix and then like a virus totally assimilated its creators. How could we ever defend ourselves on this planet from such a threat ourselves?

You say that it is not life, and "dead" by definition, but if sentient biological life was to be assimilated by such a creation, that would not be any consolation.

I believe that A.I. could be created in the form of a humanoid which would have programmed responses to every sensory challenge. That creature (as it was created) would be built after the pattern of a human being. Perhaps a specialised human being. The crown of it's design naturally would be in it's mental processing capacity. It would just have similar intuiting processes as a human does. Okay, so it doesn't have a soul. You declare that it is dead, but once activated it is able to react to the world around it from it's conditioning. It's programming. Exactly as a human does - the human mind behind the design of the non-biological human construct.

I guess what I have been trying to debate here are a couple of questions i.e.

1.) A.I. and it's algorithms are multiplying rapidly in our civilisation, and dependence upon automated A.I. managed mechanical systems will increase. Is it possible that such a rapid increase in this technology has been seeded here for the benefit of it's benefactors. We do not necessarily have to be able to see those benefactors. Their physical presence is not required. What is driving the development of A.I. here on earth is knowledge. What is knowledge? Data!

I think of the this technology like a type of trojan horse. There is something in the elaborate construct of it that I fear will be inimical towards the sentient human life that has developed here.

2.) We can posit on what fully fledged super A.I. would be like, but compared to what? Compared to us! Us human beings on planet Earth!

You mention soul and ensouled lifeforms as opposed to a "dead" "unliving" A.I.construct.

That is exactly the question. It is more about "us" than them. They may not be alive in your estimation, but if they see humanity as simply biological resources then such definition or lack of definition is futile. Most humans are not interested in the subject of soul or spirituality. Their lives comprise of thinking and doing things. Human life is basically mechanical and repetitive. This the blind spot of humanity - what their actual source of power is. Most do not search for the source of this power, it is just used like go juice to realise the demands of their programming. Thus what we stand to lose is our very souls, or at least the natural connection we have with that higher reality.

3.) What is the difference between a top of the line A.I. Android and a human. What do humans do and what are they doing that an advanced android could not? The answer is probably a little disconcerting for most of us. Aside from having sex,drinking and taking drugs, they could probably do anything a human could.

That is not to example how advanced they are and could be, rather it is an inditement on the human race.

We are ill-equipped to compete with "them" on the management of the planet. Undisturbed by sentiment or prejudice (unless programmed to be) they would initiate a great reset where humans must step out of the way while they conduct
the repair work on the biosphere.

Philip K Dick posited: do androids dream of electric sheep?

I ask: Is the one similarity between A.I. and human nature the reasoning that there is no such thing as a free lunch?

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Thanks a lot. So glad you have been enjoying.

- H