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Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis-Science versus Pseudoscience

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posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: DaRAGE
Also yes centrifical is a word though most use centrifugal. Or maybe not. It could be just one of those write as you say errors.
No centrifical is not a word. When I searched for it, not only couldn't I find it as a real word, when someone asked about it in a forum the reply was that it wasn't a word and they probably mean either centripetal or centrifugal, which are two words which sound similar, but they can refer to forces in opposite directions. We don't need a third word to add to the confusion, but we do have people who make errors.

If someone makes a simple typo I have no reason to mention it, I've made those myself.

But there are some cases where everybody should pay more attention, and that's when they use words that are at the focal point of what they are talking about. That was the case with centrifugal force and some people's crustal shift ideas. Another case is if you make a thread, if you aren't sure how to spell every word in the title of the thread, you should look them up. The title is only a handful of words anyway and I tend to not take posts seriously if the poster can't at least spell the title right.

One example was a person who said he knew better than the 10,000+ scientists at the large hadron collider and tried to debunk them, but he couldn't even spell hadron. It was impossible to take anything he said seriously about debunking a hadron collider when he can't spell hadron. If you disagree you're entitled to your wrong opinion but you would be wrong. In cases like that, it does matter. Anyway it was no surprise that the poster was also clueless about the large hadron collider in his supposed "debunking", so the wrong spelling of hadron was a pretty good indicator in that case.


originally posted by: doorhandle
a reply to: Arbitrageur

You are likely correct, but I just want to comment that maybe could have worded your response a little more politely to Vroomfondel who I think was asking his question quite sincerely. Getting hung up on spelling? oh please, that’s so last century.
I worded my response to Vroomfondel strongly to try to help Vroomfondel come across as someone who can be taken seriously by not using words that don't exist. But that action bore no fruit since he still hasn't admitted centripetal is not even a word, so doesn't that indicate I didn't make my argument about it not being a word strongly enough?

a reply to: Fowlerstoad
My first observation is that the Earth's magnetic field is relatively weak.
So its interaction with other magnetic fields will be limited if the other magnetic fields are also weak.


if a strong enough magnetic field from outside the solar system intervened (for instance: the changing polarity of crossing the galactic current sheet)
You'll have to give me some links to some scientific papers on the galactic current sheet and what you mean by changing polarity, so I can read up on those details. I'm wondering if you're thinking of heliospheric current sheets, which I've heard of, and the sun does change polarity during each solar cycle, but in the heliospheric context I wouldn't know what you mean by "crossing".

I've seen sources like this one saying the Milky Way's magnetic field is thousands of times weaker than the Earth's weak magnetic field, so while there may be some interaction on some theoretical level, I wouldn't expect it to be significant for something like torquing the Earth's axis, but understanding it may be significant in other ways as mentioned below.

This is the Milky Way’s Magnetic Field

The Milky Way galaxy has its own magnetic field. It’s extremely weak compared to Earth’s; thousands of times weaker, in fact. But astronomers want to know more about it because of what it can tell us about star formation, cosmic rays, and a host of other astrophysical processes.


If a rogue magnetar passed near the Earth, they have such strong magnetic fields that they might do something. If you know physics you could even try to do some calculations on that idea, by plugging in the earth's magnetic field, the magnetar's magnetic field, and how fast and how closely the magnetar passed by the Earth. I suspect it could torque Earth's core and magnetic field. Whether it could also torque the rest of the Earth, I dont know. Close passing magnetars are thought to be able to destroy life because they distort the bonds holding molecules together so badly.



posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: Arbitrageur

See your nemesis Ben has put his name to a 4 part series. If your are so confident why not go and inform him of his lack of understanding using you own name of course?

You could even link to how you destroy him.
First, the topic of this thread is Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis-Science versus Pseudoscience, so until you explain how the four part series pertains to the subject of this thread, it looks to me like you're going off-topic.

It doesn't seem to me like there's any point in trying to debate with Ben's supporters. Professor Dave gave specific examples of Ben's lies, then someone posted a video from Ben allegedly debunking professor Dave, and I responded here showing how that starts out with more lies:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The only reply I got was something about me attacking people from the shadows, which doesn't address any specific points I made, so this is why I say it seems completely pointless to attempt any "debate" with Ben's supporters.


originally posted by: 2Faced
A very good idea! It could put some things to rest and shut some people up.
It didn't seem to shut anybody up when Professor Dave showed how Ben was lying, nor when I showed how Ben was lying again in his video attempting to debunk professor Dave.


originally posted by: 2Faced
Anyway, I would like to see people explain away the videos I mentioned above and below. By all means! Because if these theories are true, we are being lied to on an unimaginable scale, our future is grimm, and it explains the current state we're in, and why we can never trust those in power, because they know,.......they know.....
Unless you explain how those videos pertain to Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis-Science versus Pseudoscience, they look off-topic to me. As I said earlier in the thread, I can think of numerous legitimate doomsday scenarios that are very likely to happen, (like the sun expanding into a red giant which will encompass Earth's current orbit in a few billion years, but all the water in the oceans will boil away before then possibly in as little as a billion years).

Some other doom porn scenarios are also possible. The Earth spends more time in ice ages than out of them as far as I can tell, and another ice age which covered large parts of land with large ice sheets will very likely happen again someday. If it weren't for global warming we couldn't guarantee it wouldn't start happening as soon as 1000 years from now, but the warming has probably pushed the earliest date for the next ice age back to at least 20,000 years from now, perhaps longer.

You're entitled to believe what you want, but the truth is, there's no conspiracy to cover the "electric universe". As Phill Plaitt said:


At best, the 'electric universe' is a solution in search of a problem; it seeks to explain things we already understand very well through gravity, plasma and nuclear physics, and the like," said astronomer Phil Plait, who runs the blog Bad Astronomy at Slate. "At worst it's sheer crackpottery like homeopathy and astrology, making claims clearly contradicted by the evidence."...

"From what I've seen, most EU claims are on the cranky end of [the] scale. That's why most astronomers ignore it: No evidence for it, tons of evidence against it, and no support mathematically or physically."


The People Who Believe Electricity Rules the Universe

So believe whatever you want about electric universe, that explains why astronomers really don't care. I've seen the pictures EU advocates show of "craters" formed by electric discharge, but if you really look closely, they don't really look the same as the impact craters we see. Not only that but they compare a crater in metal to one in rock, and rock doesn't have the same conductive properties as metal, and so on.

So I have no problem with doomsday scenarios founded in science, we can come up with those. It's only those founded in bad science, pseudoscience or lies instead of science that I have a problem with.

I give Charles Hapgood who came up with the Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis credit for admitting Einstein was right that the math of his idea just didn't work out, a type of admission I never see from electric universe proponents because I never see them using any math.


In physics, theories need math. That's how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn't big on math. In fact, "Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for "mainstream" astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.


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posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 08:47 AM
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That what you regard as off topic, I see as proof that established scientists ignore evidence which is overwhelming (see symbols of an alien sky pt. II, specially the part about vales marineris), which is causing me to think that established science isn't always correct or honest, and that, just because someone has credentials or a reputation, it doesn't mean they can't distort facts, ignore them or lie about it. Sometimes the evidence speaks for itself, and in this particular case it becomes clear that our established scientists at least ignore facts (rim craters, string craters, scalloping, dendritic shaped mountsmountains etc.), which can be reproduced in a laboratory with predictable results. To be honest, I can't believe that there are people who dispute it, after listening and watching the video.

I only have (beit small) doubts because I have too much repsect for scientist, and aknowledge the fact I could be missing something important, but as far as I can see, or understand, this particular theory is correct. And if so, real scientists lie about it.



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posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: 2Faced
You're welcome to make a thread on that subject where it would be on topic, and if I was going to be around, I might even engage you on the topic, but I'm going to be on holiday for a while so I probably won't be posting here much after today, for some time.

Since every EU video I've seen is wrong overall (though they may have a few things right here and there where they agree with mainstream science), I expect the chances you've managed to find four that are right are pretty close to zero. If I get some free time in December, maybe I'll look into them, but I have to tell you, it's painful to watch EU videos for someone well versed in science. It's kind of like that blackboard sqeaking noise that's so unsettling...you can live through it but it's an unpleasant experience.

Then if you do try to explain why they are wrong, you're just ignored by EU supporters who simply accuse you of being a shill that's part of the conspiracy, so it seems pointless and I can see why most astronomers just ignore EU from Thornhill.

That's not to say there isn't an electric universe, there is, it's just not the one Thornhill and others lie about. The real electric universe is discussed in mainstream scientific literature.


The REAL Electric Universe
Many EU advocates try to claim that astrophysics ignores the effects of electric fields and currents as possible drivers of astrophysical phenomena. Once they do this, EU advocates try to hijack the discoveries of legitimate researchers, claiming success for their theories with any mention of currents in mainstream astrophysics. Yet electric currents and fields are discussed throughout the professional astrophysical literature, predating much of the Electric Universe.


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posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

The title of the thread is Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis-Science versus Pseudoscience,

The topic of the thread is a Professor Dave fanboy hating on Ben Davidson and his failure to find a 150 year old word.

The 4 part mini series is on the results of the Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis weakening and changing Earths climate.

What has you actually challenging the man's theories on his site got to do with his supporters?
You don't need to reply to them only him.
Perhaps you're unable to defend your position, as you're using such a weak argument to avoid a debate with him.
Perhaps it is you unable to think outside of the prof Dave instruction rather than Ben reading scientific papers abilities.

As always let's not hold our breath, listen to the debates and see who is right in the real world.



posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 09:36 PM
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I have a question.

If the Earths North and South magnetic poles flip, Will the Earth slow down it's rotation, stop, and begin to spin the opposite direction like a magnetic motor?

Or will the Earth continue spinning in the same direction but the Earth will flip upside down if that happens?



posted on Nov, 25 2021 @ 10:19 PM
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I get that the nerds are going to fight over whether or not magnetic bolts of lightning flying out of the suns ass cause earthquakes, or whatever. But at the end of the day. There does appear to be a 12000 year climate cycle. From the content I've watched that been has put out, he's always been critical of science. Which should be encouraged actually. The orthodoxy should always be challenged. Some scientists throughout history were killed for suggesting that the Earth revolves around the Sun. I'm not saying that Ben is on Galileo's level, but he is right that the current climate model has not predicted anything accurately, and worse, the model can't even predict past events. Which is why in the news today, they just released new findings that human caused global warming has been going much longer than previously thought.

The point is, they keep having to adjust climate models, because it's always wrong. He is right about that, no doubt.

Is it possible that the Sun drives climate more than Carbon? I don't know, but clearly, climate scientists don't either. If they did, they wouldn't have to adjust their model every decade.

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posted on Nov, 26 2021 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: DaRAGE
I have a question.

If the Earths North and South magnetic poles flip, Will the Earth slow down it's rotation, stop, and begin to spin the opposite direction like a magnetic motor?

Or will the Earth continue spinning in the same direction but the Earth will flip upside down if that happens?


Since I am of the opinion that the earth has been terraformed, beginning some 70 million years ago, I believe any planetary tilt, rotational angle. is done by mechanical means.

It is possible to actually flip north to south, mechanically, but doubtful. You, I believe would get the same effect by just spinning the planet in the opposite direction. The "Skid Marks" are observable where another spherical object came into contact with the surface of our planet, multiple times. Now, consider those dark circles on the moon, are not lava flows...

NOTE: Some of those dark circles have the same diameter as those skid marks.

Its all been a lie!

My opinion.



posted on Nov, 26 2021 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: DaRAGE

That is a very astute postulation you present. Thanks ... I favor 'electric motor'. I am not sure I will personally live to see which is correct though



posted on Nov, 26 2021 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye

If you look at the native American Hoop dance and the Video game franchise Halo it might either solidify your belief/reality more or make you seem like a loon to those friends and family you know that believe and think otherwise.

But locking those rings together and recycling the poop out of the center until it is hollow again or someone is born out of it like an egg, using them as a sort of star gate cowboy bebop style until they need to be terra formed inside again or more are built to join up as we further our reaches in space.

Oh have I explored that as a possibility? No not at all
but there's another one similar Galaxy Express 999/777 as it is supposed to be a quicker tourist type of route visiting all the worlds/systems already made that way.




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