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Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis-Science versus Pseudoscience

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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
No, because it is inside the PDF that is not searchable.

But it's on page 20, the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

www.cia.gov...
OK you're talking about the Chan Thomas book.

As I said in the OP that book re-interprets the biblical book of Genesis which is not considered a scientific document. That was just an example to warn people that they shouldn't take that book seriously if they are interested in a scientific approach.

In the talk page of the wikipedia article on this topic, someone asked if the Chan Thomas book is too nutty to even mention in the article (just to say it's nonsense), and they apparently think it's too nutty to even deserve the space in the article to say it's nutty. So I wouldn't strain your brain too hard trying to figure out anything written in Chan Thomas's book.


originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I remember that, they were frightened according to the story of releasing that to the public in case it caused panic and even may have helped to belittle Hopgood's theory in public for fear it may cause economic chaos if people believed it, cheery bunch those ABD guys in the states they always think the worst of human nature and act accordingly.
Exactly who was "frightened according to the story of releasing that to the public"? Source for this?

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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

I should have been more specific that it's the declassified CIA PDF you linked. I was aware of what you wrote about it, but wanted to take a look myself.

It all reads conceivable except the part that makes it all possible, the change to the properties of the molten / liquid layer, and if the break loose momentum would be enough for a sudden change.

Then it has to stop too, that was what my 12h reference was about.

Probably BS, because we don't know a lot about what's under our feet, so a lot of may-bees here.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:04 PM
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All the major pushers of the pole shift have different years it will happen. Ive seen 2023, the late 2030s and 2046 so they can carry it on like Planet X was for so long.. Seems like people have gotten off the Niburu band wagon since decades of failed prophecies have went by now they wanna go with the Pole Shift BS.


FIRST How the hell is mankind still on this planet if this happens so often in geological terms? Most of the proponents of the pole shift say this happens every 15 k years. That is a blink of the eye in geological time. The book by Chan Thomas describes mile high tidal waves and 1000 mph winds!!!!!!!

Can you doomporners explain to me how the hell mankind is still on this planet if this happens every 15 k years? The only ones who would survive this would be in orbit. No way mankind could still be here if this type of destruction has happened over and over every so and so thousands of years. IF so then explain to me how so?


2nd there are natural rock formations that are standing that wouldn't be so if this type of event happened in the last 15k years.

Also guys like Ben having some ranch out in the Midwest, yeah sure if he really believed this was happening how the hell is a ranch gonna survive 1000 mph winds and multi mile high tidal wave?

Use some common sense people, mankind would be extinct if this happened or happened so often!!!
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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: gvilleuncfan

Sheesh talk about a barrel of laughs, we are just having some fun talking about a hypothetical scenario and you turn all depressed and moody on us.
I still prefer my idea for those Tidal waves though, you should see me (or maybe you should not it might traumatize you) re-enact it when I jump in the tub for a hot bath.

Sorry to poke fun, you are right we are a bit interested in something that some will find scary and depressing, does not have to be though and think of it like this all we are doing is looking both ways before crossing the road if that makes more sense.

Anyway this is an interesting observation on some ancient sites around the world and there alignment seeming skewed and to point to locations were SOME think the actual geographic pole moved to much more recently than is accepted in the current parading.

beforeatlantis.com...

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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur




I don't know how you came up with that idea, according to this source it took about 25 million years from 80 to 55 million years ago which sounds much more consistent with what I know about plate tectonics.

Shouldn't a mountain peak that takes 25 million years to fully form have 25 million years of erosion occurring on the peak while it it is forming?



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
If it happens we're dead anyways, so what gives. There is nowhere to run.
Nowhere to run on Earth if some real doom porn happens on Earth, but what about Mars? Some people can go there, at least to prevent humans from going extinct.

Mars One Mission Selects Final 100 Candidates to Colonize Mars

There are plenty of real doom porn scenarios, but I don't think the Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis should cause much worry.
Hopefully we've found the big planet-killer rocks that pass near Earth and they don't seem to be a threat in the next few decades, but we haven't found all the city-killers yet, that could wipe out a major city like New York, Tokyo or Paris.

Luck has been on our side in events like Tunguska which amazingly didn't seem to kill anybody even though it flattened a whole forest with the power of multiple nukes exploding. And the fact that Earth is mostly covered by water helps. There are other cosmic doom porn scenarios which are more realistic too, than Hapgood's rapid pole shift.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
The no panic part? Well I learned how to switch that impulse off so it could be I wrote something similar about race cars and not panicking when situations begin to escalate. My race instructor told me, and I will use that sentence too for my students, that if you're about to die, you want to die calm, not in panic. In the meantime, the calmness will prevent you from dying many times.

Panic is useless flight response in these two cases. You can't get out of the car and you can't get off this planet but also don't steer it. So what's the point for panic.

I think it would not hold for long, if at the next day the sun still rises, things would get back to normal slowly, there is just one more entry on the list that can get us soft meat bag bodies killed.

Very interesting: I keep omitting / forgetting the potato part constantly. Just shows how much power visuals have over us, because in 2D pictures you can not make out the bulges at all. Our brains therefor naturally rationalize the information down to "round".

Safe Haven:
If I would be the elite therefor, soulless, so I can allow myself these thought patterns for a second.. I would:

- Start a break-away civilization ahead of time, somewhere remote or where it's plotted to be relative save.
-> Snatch scientists
-> Snatch people and children
-> Educate them on all means necessary.

This way, I would have control and knowledge over the ones still alive when I step out of the bunker / big cargo ship to collect them. I would also store away resources at various hidden places. Like microchips.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
If it happens we're dead anyways, so what gives. There is nowhere to run.
Nowhere to run on Earth if some real doom porn happens on Earth, but what about Mars? Some people can go there, at least to prevent humans from going extinct.

Mars One Mission Selects Final 100 Candidates to Colonize Mars

There are plenty of real doom porn scenarios, but I don't think the Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis should cause much worry.
Hopefully we've found the big planet-killer rocks that pass near Earth and they don't seem to be a threat in the next few decades, but we haven't found all the city-killers yet, that could wipe out a major city like New York, Tokyo or Paris.

Luck has been on our side in events like Tunguska which amazingly didn't seem to kill anybody even though it flattened a whole forest with the power of multiple nukes exploding. And the fact that Earth is mostly covered by water helps. There are other cosmic doom porn scenarios which are more realistic too, than Hapgood's rapid pole shift.


True imo likely to happen.

1) CME that takes out power grid would happen more often than a ELE asteroid , 2) Asteroid 1 mile or more in diameter impact,


WAY WAY down at the bottom, pole shift and GRB



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

What was that documentary with Actors playing the parts of some of the scientists called that was released apparently on an April the first but must have cost a lot to make and so WAS it a joke?.

You may recognize some of the Scientists interviewed later as semi well known Actors, well at least in Britain and it was very well made but it is definitely worth noting that many documentary's made in the UK employed actors as stand in's for people that did not want to be revealed though today they just black there faces out and use a speech actor to cover there voice.
Just seems a lot of money to squander on an April fool's joke if that is what it was though you know we did do this to our people on another occasion and it left many people thinking that Pasta was Grown.

shame on the BBC for that one there were people who actually believed it and did so for years.
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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Arbitrageur




I don't know how you came up with that idea, according to this source it took about 25 million years from 80 to 55 million years ago which sounds much more consistent with what I know about plate tectonics.

Shouldn't a mountain peak that takes 25 million years to fully form have 25 million years of erosion occurring on the peak while it it is forming?
Do you have some evidence it doesn't?

According to this there's lots of evidence of erosion, but there are different kinds of rock. Soft sedimentary rock will erode faster than harder non-sedimentary rocks like igneous granite and metamorphic schists.

A Guide to the Geology of Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado


No sooner had the first Rockies begun to rise than erosion began its work of destruction. During the uplift and in the long period which followed, some 10,000 feet, or a thickness of almost 2 miles of sedimentary rock, was washed away from the top of the arch, until the ancient schists and granites which formed the core were uncovered and carved by the mountain streams.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: LABTECH767


This way, I would have control and knowledge over the ones still alive when I step out of the bunker / big cargo ship to collect them. I would also store away resources at various hidden places. Like microchips.



The worldwide richter 10 scale earthquakes would take care of the bunkers, the 400-1000 mph winds or waves would take care of the ships. Maybe a submarine otherwise you gotta go into orbit imo unless its an asteroid impact then the bunkers would probably work.

But the type of devastation some of these pole shift people are talking about wouldnt be survivable even in a bunker. The type of devastation they are claiming would make a 2 mile asteroid impact seem like a picnic
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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:31 PM
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I concede that as a possibility but there would likely be areas of safe haven - relatively speaking - and hardened structures free standing like those used to carry nuclear waste but instead made to keep things safe could be made so that the survivors could then find and use them or at the worst distant survivors may find them like time capsules with clues to help get civilization started again.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: gvilleuncfan

I get that orbit is probably the only safe place at that moment, but if we act like this all happened, some means of survival must have been happened. Or you and I would not be able to have this conversation.

A ship, like the arch, is IMHO, besides space would be one of the more safer spaces. At least you're floating already, when whole continents are washed over. No doubt that from 1000 ships, maybe only a handful would survive it though.




posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Arbitrageur




I don't know how you came up with that idea, according to this source it took about 25 million years from 80 to 55 million years ago which sounds much more consistent with what I know about plate tectonics.

Shouldn't a mountain peak that takes 25 million years to fully form have 25 million years of erosion occurring on the peak while it it is forming?


Not if debris from space lands on it like is surely must.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:42 PM
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The cataclysm would be losing the magnetic field: the Sun radiation would then be lethal.

Where the magnetic field poles are located, or whether they change or not, is irrelevant. The geographic poles are even more irrelavant, as they are only of interests to geographers which, on the other hand, are clearly irrelevant for what concerns a life supporting planet.

Therefore, it would be of interest to know when and how could a planet lose its magnetic field. For Sol-3, this only happens when you cease the movement of the magnetic material located inside the planet, or if you could stop the planet's rotation. That could happen in only very few specific cases.

But there is an event which can result in the loss of the magnetic field, and it is an event with a higher probability, though still a very low one. It has to do with a massive body wiping out your magnetic field, yet not colliding with your planet. It will take too much time for a civilization like yours to recover from such an event, though life would eventually emerge back again.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:42 PM
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This is the information I found about the pole shift:

www.livescience.com...


Earth tipped on its side (and back again) in 'cosmic yo-yo' 84 million years ago




Earth has not always been upright. Turns out, the planet's crust tipped on its side and back again around 84 million years ago, in a phenomenon that researchers have dubbed a "cosmic yo-yo."

The actual name for the tipping is true polar wander (TPW), which occurs when the outer layers of a planet or moon move around its core, tilting the crust relative to the object's axis. Some researchers had previously predicted that TPW occurred on Earth late in the Cretaceous period, between 145 million and 66 million years ago, but that was hotly debated, according to a statement by the researchers.

However, the new study strongly suggests TPW did occur on Earth. Researchers mapped the ancient movement of Earth's crust by looking at magnetic-field data trapped inside ancient fossilized bacteria. They found that the planet tilted 12 degrees relative to its axis around 84 million years ago, before fully returning to its original position over the next 5 million years.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:44 PM
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I concede that as a possibility but there would likely be areas of safe haven - relatively speaking - and hardened structures free standing like those used to carry nuclear waste but instead made to keep things safe could be made so that the survivors could then find and use them or at the worst distant survivors may find them like time capsules with clues to help get civilization started again.


How about satellites / spacecraft in orbit that have AI running and dispensing hardware, knowledge and stuff after it has detected a cataclysm and tracked down the biggest pile of lifeforms. Make it land or dispense capsules that survive reentry with tools, food and knowledge.

Heck that's a great idea and fallback plan, have a autonomous space craft orbiting Earth that descends after SHTF and the waves calmed down, so to speak.



posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Direne
The cataclysm would be losing the magnetic field: the Sun radiation would then be lethal.

Where the magnetic field poles are located, or whether they change or not, is irrelevant. The geographic poles are even more irrelavant, as they are only of interests to geographers which, on the other hand, are clearly irrelevant for what concerns a life supporting planet.

Therefore, it would be of interest to know when and how could a planet lose its magnetic field. For Sol-3, this only happens when you cease the movement of the magnetic material located inside the planet, or if you could stop the planet's rotation. That could happen in only very few specific cases.

But there is an event which can result in the loss of the magnetic field, and it is an event with a higher probability, though still a very low one. It has to do with a massive body wiping out your magnetic field, yet not colliding with your planet. It will take too much time for a civilization like yours to recover from such an event, though life would eventually emerge back again.



Yes like Planet X. But a INCOMING body that big could not be covered up by Nasa even backyard Astronomer's would see it coming well in advanced.
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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 01:00 PM
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Core of a neutron star passing rapidly through the solar system or some other mass with a small visible size but large gravitational influence could potential be cataclysmic to any star and planetary system that it passed through, the most recent event though that we can verify would be this, about 70.000 years ago a Red Dwarf star - maybe even with it's own planets and and humans existed here at that time to remember it in legend - passed very close to our solar system.
exoplanets.nasa.gov...

Now what if Scholtz Star had a planet called Nibiru.

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posted on Nov, 17 2021 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Just to clear things up, which pole?

Does this refer to a change in the axis of rotation of the Earth? Does this refer to the crust slipping on the surface and not the planet as a whole? Or does this refer to the movement of the magnetic poles?

Pole shift could mean any of the above.



Ummm...Hapgood...hypothesized that the entirety of the Lithosphere (crusts)...would slide around on the top of the mantle...180 degrees or more in a matter of months...or years...and that the Antarctica continent was in the Mid latitudes mere centuries ago...and was dubbed Atlantes...

Which somehow doesn't conflict with ice core data that the ice cap has been resting on Antarctica for 40,000,000 (million) years...

There was a discussion on this a couple of weeks ago...I couldn't find the thread to link it here...


It's pseudo science...I tried to explain that pole shift...means the magnetic poles...not the physical poles...but some persons kept stating that if Albert Einstein wrote a foreward in Hapgood's book...then it must be true...

It's not true...

The resulting subductions and tectonic upheaval would be cataclysmic...


But what ya gonna do...flat earthers wanna flat earth...



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