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originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
Hmmm, pretty sure the Delta first came to Australia earlier than that. Around May 2021 I think, in Sydney, NSW. Yet amazingly no real kind of increase in cases for like 2 months or so....
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
originally posted by: putnam6
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
Well, explain to everybody else here as well... I purposely copied your exact quote
Honestly, I'm just flattered you are following me and giving me a distraction from my Mom's situation.
They are saying she has fluid around her heart and lungs, we don't know what is triggering this, 3 weeks ago she got her 2nd jab. It's probably just a coincidence, right? Like her doctor said "we will never know but it's possible.
He described it as the lining around her heart is like a balloon that has been inflated and deflated and now about 20% of it is sagging and weakened. Mostly around valve on top. But if her AFIB doesn't get under control, It's lessened but is still there they may have to shock it back into rhythm.
We asked I asked about do we get her booster in 6 months? He said we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
But yea knock yourself out, Ill keep posting your answers cause I do know if I ever want to have the pulse on America and Georgia SkepticScot will know the answer unequivocally.
So tell me oh wonderful soothsayer as now it has been determined your infinite wisdom and intellect on Covid across the globe and each individual state, province, and commonwealth.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
because what I'm getting from this thread is considering it's lethality is still low, perhaps it would be better to wait for a vaccine that works on the variant that has been overwhelming the dominant strain since July.
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
Well, explain to everybody else here as well... I purposely copied your exact quote
Honestly, I'm just flattered you are following me and giving me a distraction from my Mom's situation.
They are saying she has fluid around her heart and lungs, we don't know what is triggering this, 3 weeks ago she got her 2nd jab. It's probably just a coincidence, right? Like her doctor said "we will never know but it's possible.
He described it as the lining around her heart is like a balloon that has been inflated and deflated and now about 20% of it is sagging and weakened. Mostly around valve on top. But if her AFIB doesn't get under control, It's lessened but is still there they may have to shock it back into rhythm.
We asked I asked about do we get her booster in 6 months? He said we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
But yea knock yourself out, Ill keep posting your answers cause I do know if I ever want to have the pulse on America and Georgia SkepticScot will know the answer unequivocally.
So tell me oh wonderful soothsayer as now it has been determined your infinite wisdom and intellect on Covid across the globe and each individual state, province, and commonwealth.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
because what I'm getting from this thread is considering it's lethality is still low, perhaps it would be better to wait for a vaccine that works on the variant that has been overwhelming the dominant strain since July.
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
Sorry to hear about your mum.
The rest of your post makes no sense at all.
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
Well, explain to everybody else here as well... I purposely copied your exact quote
Honestly, I'm just flattered you are following me and giving me a distraction from my Mom's situation.
They are saying she has fluid around her heart and lungs, we don't know what is triggering this, 3 weeks ago she got her 2nd jab. It's probably just a coincidence, right? Like her doctor said "we will never know but it's possible.
He described it as the lining around her heart is like a balloon that has been inflated and deflated and now about 20% of it is sagging and weakened. Mostly around valve on top. But if her AFIB doesn't get under control, It's lessened but is still there they may have to shock it back into rhythm.
We asked I asked about do we get her booster in 6 months? He said we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
But yea knock yourself out, Ill keep posting your answers cause I do know if I ever want to have the pulse on America and Georgia SkepticScot will know the answer unequivocally.
So tell me oh wonderful soothsayer as now it has been determined your infinite wisdom and intellect on Covid across the globe and each individual state, province, and commonwealth.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
because what I'm getting from this thread is considering it's lethality is still low, perhaps it would be better to wait for a vaccine that works on the variant that has been overwhelming the dominant strain since July.
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
Sorry to hear about your mum.
The rest of your post makes no sense at all.
LOL don't get shy with your wonderful intellect and advice now, it's simple
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
Now Fauci is saying 3 doses. SO if we get Mom's 3 doses she will be fine right? and completely protected right.
Do we get the boosters for my Mom? I sure don't want her to get COVID, with a damaged lining to her heart. We were so lucky she has avoided it for 19 months so far. But yea I don't want to miss getting that booster.
so 40% effectiveness is better than none at all right?
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
Well, explain to everybody else here as well... I purposely copied your exact quote
Honestly, I'm just flattered you are following me and giving me a distraction from my Mom's situation.
They are saying she has fluid around her heart and lungs, we don't know what is triggering this, 3 weeks ago she got her 2nd jab. It's probably just a coincidence, right? Like her doctor said "we will never know but it's possible.
He described it as the lining around her heart is like a balloon that has been inflated and deflated and now about 20% of it is sagging and weakened. Mostly around valve on top. But if her AFIB doesn't get under control, It's lessened but is still there they may have to shock it back into rhythm.
We asked I asked about do we get her booster in 6 months? He said we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
But yea knock yourself out, Ill keep posting your answers cause I do know if I ever want to have the pulse on America and Georgia SkepticScot will know the answer unequivocally.
So tell me oh wonderful soothsayer as now it has been determined your infinite wisdom and intellect on Covid across the globe and each individual state, province, and commonwealth.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
because what I'm getting from this thread is considering it's lethality is still low, perhaps it would be better to wait for a vaccine that works on the variant that has been overwhelming the dominant strain since July.
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
Sorry to hear about your mum.
The rest of your post makes no sense at all.
LOL don't get shy with your wonderful intellect and advice now, it's simple
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
Now Fauci is saying 3 doses. SO if we get Mom's 3 doses she will be fine right? and completely protected right.
Do we get the boosters for my Mom? I sure don't want her to get COVID, with a damaged lining to her heart. We were so lucky she has avoided it for 19 months so far. But yea I don't want to miss getting that booster.
so 40% effectiveness is better than none at all right?
I think your mum would better served getting medical advice from her doctor rather than random people on the Internet.
Yes 40% is better than 0%.
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: putnam6
I think what you will find is that the 'local skeptics' pointed our was what you were doing isn't how to measure if the vaccine is effective or not. As the text in red actually shows. Nothing about lab v real world data.
Sorry that you still don't understand that.
Well, explain to everybody else here as well... I purposely copied your exact quote
Honestly, I'm just flattered you are following me and giving me a distraction from my Mom's situation.
They are saying she has fluid around her heart and lungs, we don't know what is triggering this, 3 weeks ago she got her 2nd jab. It's probably just a coincidence, right? Like her doctor said "we will never know but it's possible.
He described it as the lining around her heart is like a balloon that has been inflated and deflated and now about 20% of it is sagging and weakened. Mostly around valve on top. But if her AFIB doesn't get under control, It's lessened but is still there they may have to shock it back into rhythm.
We asked I asked about do we get her booster in 6 months? He said we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
But yea knock yourself out, Ill keep posting your answers cause I do know if I ever want to have the pulse on America and Georgia SkepticScot will know the answer unequivocally.
So tell me oh wonderful soothsayer as now it has been determined your infinite wisdom and intellect on Covid across the globe and each individual state, province, and commonwealth.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
because what I'm getting from this thread is considering it's lethality is still low, perhaps it would be better to wait for a vaccine that works on the variant that has been overwhelming the dominant strain since July.
Even Fauci is saying the vaccinated need to worry... its the song that never ends
news.yahoo.com...
Sorry to hear about your mum.
The rest of your post makes no sense at all.
LOL don't get shy with your wonderful intellect and advice now, it's simple
WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT ?
Now Fauci is saying 3 doses. SO if we get Mom's 3 doses she will be fine right? and completely protected right.
Do we get the boosters for my Mom? I sure don't want her to get COVID, with a damaged lining to her heart. We were so lucky she has avoided it for 19 months so far. But yea I don't want to miss getting that booster.
so 40% effectiveness is better than none at all right?
I think your mum would better served getting medical advice from her doctor rather than random people on the Internet.
Yes 40% is better than 0%.
But with her age and now her heart and lung condition, she is at the highest risk of getting COVID?
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
where it really shines is protection against serious illness/death.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
where it really shines is protection against serious illness/death.
how do you quantify that? People who have been vaccinated are still getting sick, still going to the hospitals, and still dying.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
where it really shines is protection against serious illness/death.
how do you quantify that? People who have been vaccinated are still getting sick, still going to the hospitals, and still dying.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: network dude
You look at similar cases of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We don't want to compare 18yo vaccinated vs 80yo unvaccinated, right? So we also won't do the opposite.
When you look at age groups and compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated (which still should favor the unvaccinated since the most at risk have the highest rates of vaccination in all age groups). If the vaccination does nothing we should see equal numbers when we look at % vaccination and % of illness that's vaccinated (90% of population is vaccinated, and 90% of illness/death is vaccinated). If we instead find 10% of the population (unvaccinated) account for 40% of illness/death, then it's very clear the vaccine works.