When Kyle's own life hangs on the line - again! Jury too scared to rule. An UPDATE on Deliberations

originally posted by: Ahabstar
Maybe the jury needs to be assured that if there are riots when Kyle is set free that Kyle will be free to protect the jury? But if they convict and people riot, Kyle can’t help them. I mean, the kid single-handedly ended the rioting in Kenosha the last time after all.

Excellent point and logic.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: shaemac

It was just reported that the file received by the defense was created 21 minutes later than the file held by the prosecution. So far the prosecution hasn't even been able to BS that one away.

It appears rather than a mistrial, the prosecution is going to make everything requested available to the defense.

TheRedneck

Please, no mistrial.

With prejudice would mean, he could not be tried again. The ol' double jeopardy. So that is what the defense is going for

originally posted by: Ahabstar
Maybe the jury needs to be assured that if there are riots when Kyle is set free that Kyle will be free to protect the jury? But if they convict and people riot, Kyle can’t help them. I mean, the kid single-handedly ended the rioting in Kenosha the last time after all.

yes! I think there is a meme out there that represents this well.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: RMFX1

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: RMFX1

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: RMFX1
a reply to: Soloprotocol

That's not a good description of what happened at all. What have you been watching? Kyle didn't verbally abuse or insult anyone. Completely the opposite infact.

He pointed a gun at said arsehole.

Not according to the evidence unless you take for granted the video that has been compressed and is currently in dispute.

Rosenbaum was a coward who singled out Kyle for special treatment earlier that night.

If you watch all the videos you can clearly see the confrontations that was 100% one sided with Rosenbaum the agressor.

Just so happens both parties somehow ran into each other again when Kyle was somehow on his own and Rosenbaum saw his opportunity to chase him down. The kid got scared and it snowballed from that point.

He wasn't mature enough to handle the situation like the cool calm and collected operator he thought he could be.
As I said previously. I don't know what the charge should be in this case.

Sorry, we're talking about 2 different things. I thought you were referring to the alleged pointing of the gun at the other guy who fired the shot in the air which triggered Rosembaum and the chain reaction that follows. That's specifically what they are trying to prove right now with this drone video.

Rosenbaum was already triggered.

I was specifically talking about when Kyle turned just as he got to the two cars. He was clearly pointing his gun in Rosenbaum's direction.

At this point, the wheels were already in motion. Rosenbaum wasn't stopping and lunged at Kyle. Kyle pulled the trigger.

Oh yes sure he did that, he had no choice. I don't know why you aren't following here. Turning around and pointing a gun at someone who is chasing you, having previously threatened to kill you multiple times is absolutely not the same thing as going to a party, calling the host an arsehole and his girlfriend a slut. Which is what you said. Stupid comparison. Crazy talk.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: shaemac

It was just reported that the file received by the defense was created 21 minutes later than the file held by the prosecution. So far the prosecution hasn't even been able to BS that one away.

It appears rather than a mistrial, the prosecution is going to make everything requested available to the defense.

TheRedneck

Please, no mistrial.

With prejudice would mean, he could not be tried again. The ol' double jeopardy. So that is what the defense is going for

The defence literally asked the judge for a mistrial without prejuduce about an hour ago.

Day two of deliberations with no result.

Jurors are gone home.

Judge talking about the ceiling and slaves.

It seems fun to be a Judge. Captive audience, total power over your own little kingdom. Closest you can ever get to being a God without being born into the Kim dynasty.

originally posted by: JinMI
Day two of deliberations with no result.

Jurors are gone home.

Do they go home and turn on CNN, and visit Twitter, to see what verdict will cause the least amount of trouble for them?

originally posted by: JinMI
Day two of deliberations with no result.

Jurors are gone home.

They can watch tonight's reruns of Chicago Med, Chicago Fire, and Chicago P.D. on NBC 🦇🤣🦇

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JinMI
Day two of deliberations with no result.

Jurors are gone home.

Do they go home and turn on CNN, and visit Twitter, to see what verdict will cause the least amount of trouble for them?

Late night old Perry Mason shows 😃

a reply to: xuenchen

Watching what's going on outside the court seems more interesting.

2 arrested already.

a reply to: carewemust

From what I'm hearing.

Likely the forewoman is

a reply to: xuenchen

I'd think that the DA on Mason is to stright laced, More like Law and Order with Cutter as the assistant DA. He's bends and twists the rules more than Jack ever did.

Day 2 deliberations ended. No verdict. *sigh*

a reply to: xuenchen

More like Masked Singer and Alter Ego.

Your show are a little too cerebral for this jury. I mean there is plot and sometimes crossovers to deal with that take almost three hours to resolve.

I mean pretty easy to keep up with Jenny McCarthy and Elon Musk’s Baby Mama.

a reply to: carewemust

Judge is waiting for some mail-in verdicts... 🤡

a reply to: imitator

A comedian once said ... I don't care who you are that's Funny !

a reply to: RMFX1

I honestly think a lot of people simply don't know what "self-defense" is.

Under self-defense, any person who has a legal right to be where they are may protect themselves by any means, including deadly force, if they reasonably feel they are in danger. Self defense cannot be used as a defense by someone who instigates an altercation.

Kyle Rittenhouse had a right to be where he was. He was breaking no laws by being there. He had a legal right to possess a firearm. He did not have a legal right to fire said firearm, except under self-defense.

Who started the altercation? Evidence to me indicates it was Kyle's adversaries. Having a weapon is not an instigation. Talking brash is not an instigation. Threats and pointing weapons, especially both together, are an instigation. When Kyle was running away, he was certainly not instigating anything; he was attempting to retreat. His pursuer was instigating the confrontation.

So given that Kyle was not the instigator of the confrontation, had a legal right to be where he was and to have a firearm in his possession, and given that he had already had firearms pulled on him previously giving him a reasonable expectation of danger, he would be perfectly justified in the shooting under self-defense. In order for him to be guilty of murder, one of those conditions would have to be proven false.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Your home may be in a place that hasnt fallen in lifestyle yet.

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: carewemust

Judge is waiting for some mail-in verdicts... 🤡

He also said he might declare a mistrial after the jury renders its verdict.

It's about time we get one of these sly judges on our side.

Over the past year that's the kind of treatment the election challenge cases have been getting from judges.