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Real NO BS discussion on Covid restrictions and vaccine

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posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 11:36 AM
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It's been a little bit now. We have real data to use. We have real facts to use. We know way more than we did at the onset of all this. I really don't care who believes what, but if you wish to counter the facts, you have to bring more than feelz.

Fact 1. The "vaccines" only work for a little while, and even then don't prevent the sickness or death. They may lessen the severity, but that metric cannot be quantified, so it's an abstract note at best.
www.eatthis.com...

Fact 2. Mandates for masks don't work. We have seen the data. Masks may or may not help with regard to the virus. In cities and states where mask mandates were strictly used, the transmission rates aren't any different than other areas which didn't have the namdates in place. If you feel wearing a mask helps you, then it does. If you feel it doesn't help you, then it doesn't. If they worked as we have been told, then we would see a massive difference with regard to the numbers. (real N-95 masks do exactly what they advertise, cloth fabric made into mask like appearance do not)
www.msn.com...

Fact 3. This IS NOT a pandemic of the "unvaccinated". We can now see that the vaccinated can spread and contract the disease just as the unvaccinated can. And this calls into question the reason for mandating everyone get the shot, when it appears you will need to continue getting boosters for eternity.
www.cdc.gov...

Fact 4. (and likely the most troubling) Those who are in charge of the US and it's security have purposefully ignored natural immunity and it's benefits and longevity. Because studies on this have been ignored, and not done by the agencies that should be doing this, we have either bad information, or no information on this, and it should be at the forefront of all data.
(no link because, well, that's the damn point)

We still don't know for sure where the virus came from. Likely the lab leak, but until we know, we don't. We don't know how long this will last, but based on what we can see here, it appears Covid will be around as long as the flu was before it was completely and totally beaten by masks and distancing, which isn't currently working on corona virus, which is very similar to the flu in it's composition and transmission.

It's time we stop spreading lies on both sides.

We don't know that the vaccines cause long term sickness. We do know that some people are reporting blood clot issues, and some are dying from them. Until we collect and inspect that data, it will remain a fringe topic. (that appears to be by design)

**this one is for the folks who protect the narrative**
We are all humans, we are all going to live on this planet until we die. It's time we stop fighting over lies, and collectively listen to each other to find the truth. If you feel the truth is already here, and what "anti vaxxers" are saying is just misinformation, you aren't listening at all. And that promotes the other side of this and it's equal and opposite reaction. You don't have to buy into the conspiracies, but at least discuss and hear the facts. If both sides did this, we might be able to remove some of the frustration in all this.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: network dude

We got some good threads going today!

The entire plannedemic narrative is falling apart, the global psy-op will be destroyed quicker then we think.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 11:53 AM
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Pretty cut & dried and fair all around to boot. Is logic still a thing or no? Hard to keep up these days.

I do, though, see a "middle" rising slowly from the fog of social-engineering war. It's somewhat encouraging. But will it be enough, soon enough, to make a difference?

Helluva a mash-up sci-fi/horror/disaster flick reality has become, eh? It's scary as hell, yeah, but sociologically fascinating at the same time.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
Pretty cut & dried and fair all around to boot. Is logic still a thing or no? Hard to keep up these days.

I do, though, see a "middle" rising slowly from the fog of social-engineering war. It's somewhat encouraging. But will it be enough, soon enough, to make a difference?

Helluva a mash-up sci-fi/horror/disaster flick reality has become, eh? It's scary as hell, yeah, but sociologically fascinating at the same time.


the big question will be, will we still trust the same idiots who are in charge today, when the next crisis is created?



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:05 PM
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Reason and facts do not matter. Once this lie got momentum early it picked up an enormous amount of force and energy. Anything that tries to stop it gets ran over. What can be done at this point? It will have to be met with an even greater force which is not happening without bloodshed. Nobody wants to do it so all we can do is run. The protest have done jack squat.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: network dude

This will never end, there is no "going back to normal" except in some isolated states.

The "Big Lie" has been bought hook, line, and sinker.

The governments will never cede back the freedoms that they so easily took.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

This will never end, there is no "going back to normal" except in some isolated states.

The "Big Lie" has been bought hook, line, and sinker.

The governments will never cede back the freedoms that they so easily took.


True that!





posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Just getting better but still dealing with my 4th run with this. Got the 2 Moderna shots completed back on 6-12-21. Had covid twice since. The wave of nausea that comes over me at any given time during the day last around 10 minutes.
Just dealt with it 2 hours ago.

I only wear the mask at places that ask nicely unless there are bigger crowds. I hardly leave the house.
Already getting a notice from my health insurance to get a booster. I can't go through that again, that second shot did some damage. Like I said back in june, thought I was having heart issues from the fluttering and possibly Pleurisy. They thought it was Pericarditis, but it was my heart that got larger than previously seen.

Welp, on the bright side of this. I drove less than 4000 miles last year on my car. Inspection and registration were due this month. Had a problem that would red flag the inspection. but since it was under the required mileage, only had to pay the cost of inspection nothing more.

Covid really put the breaks on normal life being out, about and happy. Thank goodness I've got a decent back deck and fenced in yard for my dogs.

It was a Lonnnnnng summer.
pic taken Aug 21srt 2021 at 6:14pm. Hours later he got cancer. Vet techs, doctors, people with animals.. we had to strictly stay in our cars outside while dropping off or picking. But we all got it anyway. Both my dogs got it, not just Murphy who had cancer.

I just want some sense of common sense and some normalcy back.
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posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:23 PM
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it will continue as long as the government can continue to print as much money as they want
and it has become clear that the only way that they will be forced to discontinue the practice
will be complete repudiation of the money they print



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Why would anyone want to dedicate themselves to a booster shot
full of blood clots every time they say we need one? However I would
like a list of the lies coming from antivaxxers? See how that compares.
We get nothing but shady deceptions from across the aisle and we're just
supposed to happily go along with whatever crap they put in vile? What
a joke? This is why mama said don't talk to strangers. There hasn't been
single public debate over this that would be tasked to come up with a
fair minded decision. All we get is a boot on our neck in the end.
F23k that they'll have to hold me down. I'm NEVER going to let them do
this. NEEEEVEEER!


Shut up and take it!

F@3K That!


edit on 16-11-2021 by Randyvine2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: Bigburgh

so sorry to hear of the puppy issues. And yours, but I have said that before. I hope you can make it past all this. I will say it made me feel a little better when I heard you mention your dad being in the service in 1990. That's when I went in. I was thinking you were closer to my age and I couldn't figure out how an old guy got ripped like that. I got in shape as well. Round.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

I hope so....my stupid county still has a mask mandate. Stupidly you can eat around hundreds of people just fine but when you stand up you have to put one on. I am so damn sick of it.
And my wife's work is starting to weed out workers who don't want the jab so I hope she keeps her job regardless.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: elementalgrove

I hope so....my stupid county still has a mask mandate. Stupidly you can eat around hundreds of people just fine but when you stand up you have to put one on. I am so damn sick of it.
And my wife's work is starting to weed out workers who don't want the jab so I hope she keeps her job regardless.


LOL, My wife brought that up to me early on. We walked into a restaurant, with our masks on, looking at everyone seated not wearing masks, and she asked, "does the virus only work above 5 feet?"
edit on 16-11-2021 by network dude because: Beto, what a stupid name.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Bigburgh

Sorry to hear that.
Hope it gets better for you.
I'm sure others appreciate the humour you bring to this site and will join me in sending good vibes your way.

also sent a PM.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: network dude

50+😊 thanks again as always. I don't have much to contribute to this thread other than what I have personally experienced.

Like I said, I do wear a mask when around crowds if ask. I have received the vaccine, I got as sick if not more when I got the shots. First illness was November 2019 black friday. Lasted a month. Wasn't to bad other than it held on for so long. I missed Christmas with my father whom I've seen 3 times since march of 2020.

As a vaccinated person, I feel like I'm dirty. I get sick still and stay home because I'm vaccinated and now the problem. I know people that still have not been vaccinated, they got sick once and never again so far.

I don't believe for a second, this isn't man made. I also dont believe it was just the Chinese. Fauci has been around for a very long time. Biological/Chemical weapons are band of course in the u.s.. but nobody said a darn thing about doing work on a virus in a country that doesn't go by what the United Nations says. So money goes for funding outside the United States, much like Wuhan.

S&F



Ok, 😊

I'm going to let you professionals do the real postings to this thread.

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posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 01:26 PM
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sent PM to not clog up my own thread.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Sorry about that .

To the topic....I'm finding amongst people I know that it's dependant on what type and how much media they consume.

From the start of this I've been able to discuss any aspect of the pandemic rationally with about three people.
There are others who have doubts but are obviously reluctant to talk about them for fear of opening some kind of imaginary floodgates of realisation.

I know quite a few people in bands and it's impacted them pretty significantly due to cancelled gigs and loss of socialising opportunities etc. Some of them are punky types who constantly criticised government and "normal " society and so on but suddenly got scared by media hype and became overnight conformists queuing up for the jab.

I don't go out much but some of them talk on the phone and tell me what they're up to and some have given up on masks etc and are gigging again with little or no restrictions and a few have had or know people who have had the virus and recovered completely after a few rough days.

I've not had any serious disagreements withany of them as they're good friends but the hardest part, I find, with most people is that once they've taken a position they simply refuse to look at any alternative information.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 02:01 PM
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The shots do not work. But I fear natural immunity is short lived as well. I do not know how many waves all of us can take. I fear most of the old and out of shape will be dead in just a few years at best. Matter of time before the right strain comes in and wipes out a lot of people.



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: bayouspirit
The shots do not work. But I fear natural immunity is short lived as well. I do not know how many waves all of us can take. I fear most of the old and out of shape will be dead in just a few years at best. Matter of time before the right strain comes in and wipes out a lot of people.


how long does natural immunity last?



posted on Nov, 16 2021 @ 02:08 PM
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Your fourth fact is, in fact, applicable to the whole world and has greater scope then just the US, in my opinion.

Unfortunately.

a reply to: network dude



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