Why COVID Cases are Surging in States with High Vaccination Rates

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Smigg

Prevent? As in 100%? No. Does it greatly reduce the risk of serious illness and death, yes. That's the fact you like to ignore.

The data is irrelevant because of how covid deaths are documented.
In New Zealand recently a young man was shot dead and tested positive for covid, on his death certificate the cause of death was covid.
An insane decision but that's the big picture, the data means nothing.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Yes, its like that here also in Columbia, South Carolina

a reply to: Smigg

Similar false reports have been widespread in the US since the Plandemic began.

a reply to: Waterglass

For more than a year, a vaccine expert called Dr.Geert Bossche has been warning it.
He first said that vaccination in the middle of a pandemic never has to be done, because in doing so, the virus ends up modifying stronger and ends up creating stronger and more dangerous variations.
He has been asking for a long time and with evidence to stop the vaccination and nobody pays attention to him.

The problem is that the vaccine is too specific, it only contemplates the S protein and the vaccination began without knowing if this is really a virus or several viruses and some bacteria.
With the issue of not doing autopsies, it's impossible to get to the bottom. You'll never know how to really fight this.

In that sense, it behaves like the flu, there are many variants, so the vaccination did not end with it, there are millions of strains and they are changing. The same thing happens with Covid, it is changing and the worst thing is that it becomes stronger when the virus encounters the defenses of the S protein, which ends up making the virus try to survive by becoming stronger.

Dr Bossche published with data and explained that the vaccines would stop working. and that scientists will continue to run behind the virus trying to modify vaccines as more prevalent variants appear, as with the flu vaccine.

The worst thing is that a monster is being created that is bigger than it was before the vaccination and also comments that it is ruining the bodies of those vaccinated.
It destroys the natural killers, which are the first to act in the event of an infection, which are created by white blood cells. That is, you inject the S protein and when you catch a flu or another infection, the natural killers act to stop it, now they cannot because they are fighting with S protein.
Because the body does not create antibodies as soon as it encounters something, the first line of defense are the natural killers. That is why several people only have Covid with slight effects. such as headache, cough, lack of smell, but it does not go to the lungs.
According to him, is doing all this damage, and that the unvaccinated also suffer, because if they already had covid and managed to survive, it is most likely that they will be re-infected with these modified and more dangerous variants that did not affect them before.
Being an expert in vaccines he also does not see any other type of vaccine or solution other than stopping the massive inoculation, and looking for a treatment to alleviate the effects before it becomes dangerous,some kind of medication to cope with it. In order to create herd immunity.
He rules out that herd immunity is reached if the vaccines continue to be applied.

check is web

www.geertvandenbossche.org...

a reply to: Ezemikedirnt

The Delta variant started where there were no vaccines. The more a virus spreads the more chance it has to mutate. A vaccine limiting it's spread will not cause a mutation, it will limit mutations.

The only way he would be correct is if the vaccine prevented symptoms and did not neutralize the virus. His prediction has not come true.

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Smigg

Prevent? As in 100%? No. Does it greatly reduce the risk of serious illness and death, yes. That's the fact you like to ignore.

The data is irrelevant because of how covid deaths are documented.
In New Zealand recently a young man was shot dead and tested positive for covid, on his death certificate the cause of death was covid.
An insane decision but that's the big picture, the data means nothing.

Which has what to do with serious ill patients in a hospital setting?

originally posted by: Ezemikedirnt
a reply to: Waterglass

For more than a year, a vaccine expert called Dr.Geert Bossche has been warning it.
He first said that vaccination in the middle of a pandemic never has to be done, because in doing so, the virus ends up modifying stronger and ends up creating stronger and more dangerous variations.

Bossche has been debunked, and has been shown to have vested interests that they should have disclosed.

Link
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kimish

That's even easier to prove.
Including Delta

Cases: Rate by age group per 100,000
Week starting: 5/2/2021 to 10/3/2021

65+ unvaccinated : 492.6
65+ vaccinated : 66.1

Before Delta was prevalent.

Cases: Rate by age group per 100,000
Week starting: 5/2/2021 to 7/25/2021

65+ unvaccinated : 202.8
65+ vaccinated : 12.2

www.health.state.mn.us...

Were those numbers provided from when they were using the adjusted pcr test parameters for vaccinated and unvaccinated people?

How many of those "unvaccinated" were in reality vaccinated by 1 shot or 2 shots before the 14 day "fully vaccinated now!" window?

I bet those numbers are nor manipulated at all. /sarc

originally posted by: Imperator2

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kimish

That's even easier to prove.
Including Delta

Cases: Rate by age group per 100,000
Week starting: 5/2/2021 to 10/3/2021

65+ unvaccinated : 492.6
65+ vaccinated : 66.1

Before Delta was prevalent.

Cases: Rate by age group per 100,000
Week starting: 5/2/2021 to 7/25/2021

65+ unvaccinated : 202.8
65+ vaccinated : 12.2

www.health.state.mn.us...

Were those numbers provided from when they were using the adjusted pcr test parameters for vaccinated and unvaccinated people?

How many of those "unvaccinated" were in reality vaccinated by 1 shot or 2 shots before the 14 day "fully vaccinated now!" window?

I bet those numbers are nor manipulated at all. /sarc

The methodology an breakdown are included on the page, but overall it's not really significant unless you're trying to adjust for vaccine take up. In which case it's not really in their interest to fudge the numbers as it would reflect badly on their vaccine take up figures.

If anything, over estimating the number of people who got covid after having 2 shots would be used as a reason to get the third booster shot.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: kimish
a reply to: carewemust when looking at those graphs keep in mind that after 15 days of having the jab you are no longer "fully vaccinated".

Hilarious lie. It's the opposite. You are not fully vaxxed until 15 days after getting the second jab. So day 15 or day 300 .. fully vaxxed.

Actually that isn't quite true now that the boosters have started rolling out. It seems that even with a double vax status you will lose your vaccinated privileges if you do not recieve the booster by a certain time.

Just remember you had all of those rights before covid, but somehow they have turned into privileges post covid. Such a minor tweak with such profound long term consequences.

Good luck to anyone who got doubled vaxxed. You are going to need continual boosters or meds to keep that status. No matter how loudly you shout that you are not going to get the boosters etc.. we all know how you caved originally and guess what? The people pushing this also know this.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Smigg

Prevent? As in 100%? No. Does it greatly reduce the risk of serious illness and death, yes. That's the fact you like to ignore.

The data is irrelevant because of how covid deaths are documented.
In New Zealand recently a young man was shot dead and tested positive for covid, on his death certificate the cause of death was covid.
An insane decision but that's the big picture, the data means nothing.

Which has what to do with serious ill patients in a hospital setting?

That it's all a big scam, right from the word go.
Sorry you're unable to see it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Ezemikedirnt

The Delta variant started where there were no vaccines. The more a virus spreads the more chance it has to mutate. A vaccine limiting it's spread will not cause a mutation, it will limit mutations.

The only way he would be correct is if the vaccine prevented symptoms and did not neutralize the virus. His prediction has not come true.

It looks like there were several variants of Covid in existence before people even realized that Covid existed, including some pretty nasty ones. So dangerous varients 100% emerged before we'd even started looking for a vaccine.

Link

I'm pretty sure that variants emerging early on is why so many people in China reported having fevers and nightmarishly sore throats but when Europeans and Americans started being effected there were a range of other symptoms but the sore throat more or less vanished after the first few months worth of infection reports.

I don't think that I personally know anybody who had the sore throat variant either before or after the vax started being made.

a reply to: Smigg

If it were a scam we'd be seeing far fewer dead.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

If it were a scam we'd be seeing far fewer dead.

That depends which country you are from, In New Zealand there are literally tens of deaths from covid.
South Korea three thousand deaths.
Japan 18000 deaths.
Australia under three thousand.
The list goes on.
Stop watching the main stream media.

It really doesn't matter where a variant specifically comes from. It is the conditions that allow it to bubble to the top that make it a problem. If those are high resistance to vaccines that also allow it to spread while minimizing symptoms, then one can make the case that the vaccine bubbled the variant to the top. Broad natural immunity would likely have kept the same variant from becoming the dominant form. The when, how, and what specific conditions that created the specific variant are really irrelevant.

As an example, there are naturally and have always been weeds resistant to glyphosate and fleas resistant to Top-line, Advantage etc. Those treatments, once widespread are, however absolutely responsible for broad dominance of resistant weeds and fleas in the environment today. The way to limit those negative effects is to ONLY use the products in places where they are highly necessary, not willy-nilly, just in case, everywhere.

The same applies to the vaccines. Because the dominant forms are the vaccine resistant forms, now you have to start playing a wishful thinking and think that if you just get a ton of people sort of resistant to bad symptoms, you can dodge it, but you are really only exacerbating the original problem of resistant variants. The reality is you can't win this game.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're such an obvious troll to the extent I'm very surprised how you have been banned yet from this site.

Periodic regular reminder:

Covid-19 Surges = GOOD.

Because: www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: Halfswede

It has been shown through the years with over use of antibiotics, that resistant strains develop and eventually meds beecome useless in the treatment and is some cases they can exacerbate the symptoms.

Microorganisms are masters of survival. We would do better to let them be, and create a stronger barrier to them entering our bodies.

In the start of the battle against disease producing microorganisms. we thought the Trojan horse, the beat them by joining them, tactics would work. These tactics have proven ineffective in the long run, or problematic.

We found over time that those approaches just create bigger badder monsters. The best we can do is to create strong healthy bodies that can fight them off. With strong immune systems that will keep them at bay in the future.

With natural immunity we have a better chance at preventing mutations. When we interfere with the natural process, we create Frankensteins. We don't need a dragon slayer. Medusa will just keep growing heads. We need a house built of bricks, so it can huff and puff, but won't get in.

Just a thought.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

For now he got all his predictions right. He had already said that we would see the cases decrease in the short term due to vaccination but that they would soon rise again in the countries where more vaccination was carried out. He also said that soon the vaccine would stop working and that scientists would run after the strains. It is also happening right now. We only have to wait to see how the future continues to develop and if we are going to continue to have more violent strains. He said that the vaccine would stop working because it was very specific. In Israel they must go for the fourth booster and the infections continue to rise and people with two doses continue to die. and continue to modify the virus and spread it.

No. It’s the vaccinated that are asymptotic and spreading it to everyone. They have no symptoms so they are spreading the virus.
If you are unvaccinated and get sick you stay home and are careful about not spreading your illness. Wether it be the flu, a cold or Covid. Stop discriminating against those that choose not to take the Covid vaccine. Stop spreading your lies. You A$$$ a reply to: AaarghZombies