If we don't curb media, America ends.

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: 727Sky

Rittenhouse is a good example. If you were to ask most Americans pre trial if he would be found guilty, I think an overwhelming amount of them would have said yes. That being...... Without knowing any actual facts outside of what had been reported by obvious shill networks.

When you get to the actual truth of the matter, there is surprise........! People are like.... What? CNN said he was a white supremacist crossing state lines to kill black folks....

C'mon man. If you want to pass down freedom to your children, say no to bogus news sources.

He should be found guilty, he murdered 2 people

He traveled across state lines, he walked to the scene and killed 2 and wounded others

We are not at war, he’s a juvenile, and he went for the “rush” of firing an AR with a 30-round clip, fired up by listening to right wing a@@holes. Now reality has sunk in and he’s f’d

a reply to: jimmyx

He should be found guilty, he murdered 2 people

NPC says what?

"The Enemy of The People".

a reply to: jimmyx

The "State Lines" BS was possibly dropped and discredited because what's legal in IL and in WI are different😃

He actually lives a short distance (in IL) from the riot scenes (in WI) 😃

[sound the 3 stooges themes]

The fact that the CIA invested in Project Mockingbird is proof enough that the media can influence and, at least to a degree, control behavior. In most cases you don't have to convince everyone of anything. Just convince enough people to get it done. The few who hold out for truth are nothing against the wave of sheeple willing swallow the lie. When the truth becomes inconvenient the lie becomes irresistible.

Those hangings happened in the Democrat Party south. Republicans freed the slaves. A war was fought over it. Learn your US history better before you preach.

The freaks in the kackies and white shirts are a lunatic fringe, like you claim the kiwis flying colors from the American south. Get some perspective.

I go to large events where Redbull is being promoted, or different brands of beer. I dont drink any of it, and my attendance does not mean I endorse them either. Pics of some people flying flags from their region dont mean a damn thing to me, or most Americans. Why do you get so excited?

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: Helious

Good idea for a thread !

Perhaps we should label all references and links to MSM as potential, or possible propaganda ?

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Years ago, a very good friend of mine told me that if I really wanted to watch "news" on TV that I should watch Al-Jezerra news as it was the most unbiased source of news on television. So I did.

You know what? He was right.

Check it out for yourself - you might be surprised.

Aljazeera News

a reply to: Riffrafter

Thanks for the tip RR, and am sure your heart is in the right place.
My answer is negative, but please don't take it personally.
My opinion is not expert in any way, and could generally be viewed as dumb, uninformed, and untrustable.

"...the most unbiased source of news on television..." is like the least diseased prostitute in a 2 dollar bordello in the poor section of Karachi, or Rio, or Shanghai,...you get the picture.

They can be seen as being biased in favor of Sunni, and also the Muslim Brotherhood.

One glance at their website shows :
Pushing Covid™ fear and Vaxxschemes™ as the solution : check.
Pushing AGW™ fear, and COP26™ as a sincere and helpful event : check.
Pushing common themes that divide, distract, and obfuscate : check.

Just the front page from that link is loaded with fear-inducing, negative, soul-crushing ' News™ '.

Am more interested in seemingly and supposedly independent journalists, even though have accepted that they will usually pass the hat around asking for tips and contributions.

Odd thing is that many of these will also now be very negative, and potentially fear-inducing.
The difference is in the intention : one wants to control us through fear, and the other wants to shake us out of our slumber.
Not easy to navigate, and figure who is who, considering the proven existence of Cointelpro™ and Controlled-Opposition™.

Here's a couple to get started :
Unlimited-Hangout
Corbett Report
Global-Research
Technocracy-News

Missing a bit of context from your portrayal here. But your politics is surly noted.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: 727Sky

Rittenhouse is a good example. If you were to ask most Americans pre trial if he would be found guilty, I think an overwhelming amount of them would have said yes. That being...... Without knowing any actual facts outside of what had been reported by obvious shill networks.

When you get to the actual truth of the matter, there is surprise........! People are like.... What? CNN said he was a white supremacist crossing state lines to kill black folks....

C'mon man. If you want to pass down freedom to your children, say no to bogus news sources.

He should be found guilty, he murdered 2 people

He traveled across state lines, he walked to the scene and killed 2 and wounded others

We are not at war, he’s a juvenile, and he went for the “rush” of firing an AR with a 30-round clip, fired up by listening to right wing a@@holes. Now reality has sunk in and he’s f’d

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: 727Sky

Rittenhouse is a good example. If you were to ask most Americans pre trial if he would be found guilty, I think an overwhelming amount of them would have said yes. That being...... Without knowing any actual facts outside of what had been reported by obvious shill networks.

When you get to the actual truth of the matter, there is surprise........! People are like.... What? CNN said he was a white supremacist crossing state lines to kill black folks....

C'mon man. If you want to pass down freedom to your children, say no to bogus news sources.

He should be found guilty, he murdered 2 people

He traveled across state lines, he walked to the scene and killed 2 and wounded others

We are not at war, he’s a juvenile, and he went for the “rush” of firing an AR with a 30-round clip, fired up by listening to right wing a@@holes. Now reality has sunk in and he’s f’d

He didn't murder anyone. He killed 2 people in defense of his own life. You say he crossed state lines. I live in Woodstock, Illiniois, Lake Geneva and Kenosha are 20 minutes from my house and I work across state lines and go there every day. It's not like he took a road trip, his father lives there...........

He didn't want to hurt anyone, he was there to help and multiple sources show him cleaning debris and graffiti left by lawless rioters. Did he have a weapon on the night in question? Damn right he did, like any freedom loving law abiding American would, he was there to help protect business owners and residents when the police wouldn't.

Your welcome to your take on the situation and I applaud independent thought and dissent but for me, I find it personally offensive that after all that has come out in this trial, you still take that same stance. I guess for me, it reeks of political ideology and disingenuous intent as opposed to critical thought.

Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

You are doing a lot of speculating and projecting your feelings into someone else. You would be an awful juror. Just saying a reply to: jimmyx

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

Haven't you realized, the USA incarcerates more in total numbers, and more per capita than ANY other country in the world. Yet its crime rate is about median. So, it's actually the worst tyranny in the world today, in real terms.

There is vast wealth inequality there, massive homelessness, hardly any free social support services. American workers get fewer days off work than any other countries workers. Public debt is out of control, and the national debt alone exceeds gross national product. That means they can't pay it back. They are existing, as a nation, entirely on credit.

And as far as Hydra goes. The US repatriated stacks of Nazi's after WWII (they called it "Operation Paperclip", just because those guys had things the US wanted. And now they are entrenched, and politically powerful, and protected.

The wheels have come off, mate.

"Media" is not a/the, problem. Intelligent and free minded folks see media more as entertainment.

Now "Educated" folks. ... See media as reallity, news or a way to preach their globalist commie crap. Media lets them know how to believe, what to believe and how to "feels".
The real problem is you, as an individual. Can't you "curb" your own media intake by yourself? What's this "we" crap?

In The U.S. of America, we "don't curb media", it's actually against the "law", see (C.O.T.U.S).

This "curb" idea, is anti-American! But I can totally understand why any self-respecting American would want to take a Don Lemon personality "camping".

But the idea, is exactly what the puppet masters of "the media" want you to believe needs done. You think "media" will be "curbed" if "we curb the media"?

American Freedom is unique. Freedom of speech is an absolute right! ... What the commies keep getting bent about?... Is they believe they have the right to be heard.

Which is why we have the "headline" of this post.

I think we just need to require "News" to be "News".

Free press doesn't mean you can falsely advertise what you are selling. If you call it "news" and it's really just propaganda or covert advertising, that's no different than if I claim to sell you a "roadworthy" automobile that has no brakes.

I can sell you a car that has no brakes as long as I tell you it has no brakes. But I do NOT have the right to claim it has brakes and then sell it to you if it doesn't.


Print anything you want, but don't call it or sell it as a "news product" if it isn't a "news product."

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

Haven't you realized, the USA incarcerates more in total numbers, and more per capita than ANY other country in the world. Yet its crime rate is about median. So, it's actually the worst tyranny in the world today, in real terms.

The USA is also the most culturally diverse country on the planet. That means the laws can't perfectly accommodate all the cultural ideals of society.

So when people find themselves culturally at odds with the law, your choices are either

A: Agree to disagree by way of letting them rob and kill you as part of their end of the disagreement.

or

B: Agree to disagree by way of locking them in a cage and letting act out their disagreements in a place where they can't hurt anyone who was ok with the laws.

I much prefer B. And I feel quite confident that there is no option C out there to be had.

a reply to: Helious

So long as there are Jeffersonian Americans the Republic still exists. We have adopted the Lincolnian version of a Federal government that rules over everything instead of independent states. It will be and has always been a fight for local control. We are way out of balance as a Nation. Run by corporations and investment funds.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I think we just need to require "News" to be "News".

Free press doesn't mean you can falsely advertise what you are selling. If you call it "news" and it's really just propaganda or covert advertising, that's no different than if I claim to sell you a "roadworthy" automobile that has no brakes.

I can sell you a car that has no brakes as long as I tell you it has no brakes. But I do NOT have the right to claim it has brakes and then sell it to you if it doesn't.


Print anything you want, but don't call it or sell it as a "news product" if it isn't a "news product."

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

Haven't you realized, the USA incarcerates more in total numbers, and more per capita than ANY other country in the world. Yet its crime rate is about median. So, it's actually the worst tyranny in the world today, in real terms.

The USA is also the most culturally diverse country on the planet.

The USA has pockets of diversity, but is largely a single post European, Christian society that speaks English.

By Fearon's analysis, Uganda has the greatest ethnic fractionalization (and the US is in the 90th place), Uganda again has the most linguistic fractionalization (and the US is in the 64th place), and South Africa has the greatest religious fractionalization (and the US is in 2nd place).

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But cultural diversity does not explain the disparity between crime rate and the number incarcerated. Unless you are suggesting that people are incarcerated on a cultural basis, which would be an extremely tyrannical misuse of law.

That means the laws can't perfectly accommodate all the cultural ideals of society.

So when people find themselves culturally at odds with the law, your choices are either

A: Agree to disagree by way of letting them rob and kill you as part of their end of the disagreement.

or

B: Agree to disagree by way of locking them in a cage and letting act out their disagreements in a place where they can't hurt anyone who was ok with the laws.

I much prefer B. And I feel quite confident that there is no option C out there to be had.

No, the basis of US law is supposed to be culturally neutral, part of those "self evident truths".

Clearly, the obvious ethnic biases in incarceration statistics, and the fact that large numbers must be being incarcerated for reasons other than crime, might give you pause to doubt the actuality of the 'freedoms' that you want to believe are there.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I think we just need to require "News" to be "News".

Free press doesn't mean you can falsely advertise what you are selling. If you call it "news" and it's really just propaganda or covert advertising, that's no different than if I claim to sell you a "roadworthy" automobile that has no brakes.

I can sell you a car that has no brakes as long as I tell you it has no brakes. But I do NOT have the right to claim it has brakes and then sell it to you if it doesn't.


Print anything you want, but don't call it or sell it as a "news product" if it isn't a "news product."

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

Haven't you realized, the USA incarcerates more in total numbers, and more per capita than ANY other country in the world. Yet its crime rate is about median. So, it's actually the worst tyranny in the world today, in real terms.

The USA is also the most culturally diverse country on the planet.

The USA has pockets of diversity, but is largely a single post European, Christian society that speaks English.

By Fearon's analysis, Uganda has the greatest ethnic fractionalization (and the US is in the 90th place), Uganda again has the most linguistic fractionalization (and the US is in the 64th place), and South Africa has the greatest religious fractionalization (and the US is in 2nd place).

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a useless metric, because all the cultures in Uganda are pretty similar to each other in the ethical values that they aspire to. They originated in the same region of the world, and have traded with, exchanged ideas, and fought wars with each other for millinea.

Nowhere on Earth to cultures so different FROM EACH OTHER, mingle to the degree they do here.

European culture is of course the dominant one, but there is no region on Earth that is unrepresented.

But cultural diversity does not explain the disparity between crime rate and the number incarcerated. Unless you are suggesting that people are incarcerated on a cultural basis, which would be an extremely tyrannical misuse of law.

I'm suggesting that people who hold different ethical values break the law more frequently, because the law ends up being different from their version of "right and wrong".

That means the laws can't perfectly accommodate all the cultural ideals of society.

So when people find themselves culturally at odds with the law, your choices are either

A: Agree to disagree by way of letting them rob and kill you as part of their end of the disagreement.

or

B: Agree to disagree by way of locking them in a cage and letting act out their disagreements in a place where they can't hurt anyone who was ok with the laws.

I much prefer B. And I feel quite confident that there is no option C out there to be had.

No, the basis of US law is supposed to be culturally neutral, part of those "self evident truths".

That is impossible, even in principle, because no two cultures agree about what is "right and wrong".

If you make the laws so they match one culture's idea of "right and wrong" it therefore will not match another culture's view of "right and wrong".

There is no universal standard that all agree on. So if you're trying to base your laws on a universal standard, you might as well base in on Leprechaun ethics. You'll have as much success.

Clearly, the obvious ethnic biases in incarceration statistics, and the fact that large numbers must be being incarcerated for reasons other than crime, might give you pause to doubt the actuality of the 'freedoms' that you want to believe are there.

I see NO EVIDENCE AT ALL,. None, for the idea that ANY GROUP is in prison for reasons other than crime.

The murder rates, at least, would be hard to dispute unless you think natural deaths are being mistaken for homicide. But some cultures are kind of "warrior cultures" where killing another person isn't considered wrong for many possible reasons. If the only deterrent is the possibility of imprisonment (and you feel lucky and think you will avoid it), then a person is more likely to go ahead and do it. If on the other hand, you view it as wrong, and it would hurt your conscience, you wouldn't murder even if you could get away with it.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I think we just need to require "News" to be "News".

Free press doesn't mean you can falsely advertise what you are selling. If you call it "news" and it's really just propaganda or covert advertising, that's no different than if I claim to sell you a "roadworthy" automobile that has no brakes.

I can sell you a car that has no brakes as long as I tell you it has no brakes. But I do NOT have the right to claim it has brakes and then sell it to you if it doesn't.


Print anything you want, but don't call it or sell it as a "news product" if it isn't a "news product."

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Hahahahahaa!!!! You are always good for a laugh. You have such a skewed view of America. Are you an agent of Hydra? Lmao!! Thanks for always making me belly laugh!!!!a reply to: chr0naut

Haven't you realized, the USA incarcerates more in total numbers, and more per capita than ANY other country in the world. Yet its crime rate is about median. So, it's actually the worst tyranny in the world today, in real terms.

The USA is also the most culturally diverse country on the planet.

The USA has pockets of diversity, but is largely a single post European, Christian society that speaks English.

By Fearon's analysis, Uganda has the greatest ethnic fractionalization (and the US is in the 90th place), Uganda again has the most linguistic fractionalization (and the US is in the 64th place), and South Africa has the greatest religious fractionalization (and the US is in 2nd place).

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a useless metric, because all the cultures in Uganda are pretty similar to each other in the ethical values that they aspire to. They originated in the same region of the world, and have traded with, exchanged ideas, and fought wars with each other for millinea.

Nowhere on Earth to cultures so different FROM EACH OTHER, mingle to the degree they do here.

European culture is of course the dominant one, but there is no region on Earth that is unrepresented.

But cultural diversity does not explain the disparity between crime rate and the number incarcerated. Unless you are suggesting that people are incarcerated on a cultural basis, which would be an extremely tyrannical misuse of law.

I'm suggesting that people who hold different ethical values break the law more frequently, because the law ends up being different from their version of "right and wrong".

That means the laws can't perfectly accommodate all the cultural ideals of society.

So when people find themselves culturally at odds with the law, your choices are either

A: Agree to disagree by way of letting them rob and kill you as part of their end of the disagreement.

or

B: Agree to disagree by way of locking them in a cage and letting act out their disagreements in a place where they can't hurt anyone who was ok with the laws.

I much prefer B. And I feel quite confident that there is no option C out there to be had.

No, the basis of US law is supposed to be culturally neutral, part of those "self evident truths".

That is impossible, even in principle, because no two cultures agree about what is "right and wrong".

If you make the laws so they match one culture's idea of "right and wrong" it therefore will not match another culture's view of "right and wrong".

There is no universal standard that all agree on. So if you're trying to base your laws on a universal standard, you might as well base in on Leprechaun ethics. You'll have as much success.

Clearly, the obvious ethnic biases in incarceration statistics, and the fact that large numbers must be being incarcerated for reasons other than crime, might give you pause to doubt the actuality of the 'freedoms' that you want to believe are there.

I see NO EVIDENCE AT ALL,. None, for the idea that ANY GROUP is in prison for reasons other than crime.

The murder rates, at least, would be hard to dispute unless you think natural deaths are being mistaken for homicide. But some cultures are kind of "warrior cultures" where killing another person isn't considered wrong for many possible reasons. If the only deterrent is the possibility of imprisonment (and you feel lucky and think you will avoid it), then a person is more likely to go ahead and do it. If on the other hand, you view it as wrong, and it would hurt your conscience, you wouldn't murder even if you could get away with it.


World Population Review rates the USA with a crime index of 47.42 which makes it the 56th ranking out of 136 countries. A fairly median value.

Crime Rate By Country 2021

However, when looking at incarceration numbers, the Untied States incarcerates a count of 2,094,000 prisoners. This equates to a per capita incarceration rate of 639 prisoners per 100,000 population. This is the highest number of prisoners of any country in the world, but also the highest per capita rate.

Put simply, why don't the numbers of those in prison, seem to relate to the crime rate?

I was taking a class on Central America economics from a professor from Mexico once. And I remember him talking about what he always tells students who are going to visit the USA.

He tells them, the laws are strongly enforced. It's hard for them to understand the severity with which laws are enforced. Like a 500 dollar ticket for littering, for example. That's considered extreme in Mexico. Or the idea you can be imprisoned merely for fighting back when the police come to arrest you.



So probably the reasons we have a higher encarceration rate than most are :

1: We hand out longer sentences.

2: We have crime levels on par with middle income countries.

3: Our police are funded at the level of a high income country (which means they catch more of them than other countries with comparable crime rates.)