posted on Nov, 11 2021 @ 05:57 AM
a reply to: olaru12
Again, this is a matter of perspective, and an understanding of the form of divination which WAS acceptable to God, which is the Urrim & Thummim,
which was a yes/no providence thing, which God would answer when serious questions requiring a yes/no answer were required as a matter of urgency.
From my perspective, the questions which I asked - one of which referred to the personal element of timing as it pertained to a situation currently
evident to me through a combination of dreams, visions & world circumstances - were perfectly valid, required a yes/no answer, and following prayerful
reflection, I felt it was appropriate to undertake an urrim/thummim 'ritual'.
I think people are hung up on the use of that word, as though a ritual must be something complex, as though it must be in line with a certain type of
magical practice, for it to be called a ritual. As I said in one of my previous replies, it is evident from the OP that I am using a definition of
'magic' which is less constrained than that which every denunciation in this thread is concerned with. I have specifically referred to the acts of
God which are commonly called 'miracles' as a form of magic in which God is in control of the practical aspects of that magic, in which it is not
necessary for the person who is facilitating that magic through prayer to be concerned with the practicalities which would otherwise lead to the same
result, if it were even possible for human magical action to produce the same result. So in the OP I made it clear that I was stretching the
definitions beyond the typical. And the only reason I even did that, was because I read on a separate thread that a certain magical practitioner
considered certain ministers of miraculous events to have been wizards/warlocks, who basically had God do the heavy lifting for them. So this whole
understanding of the stretched definition of 'magic', and 'ritual' actually came from the statements of a traditional magical practitioner, not from a
I was simply riding the metaphor to demonstrate the point that we are approaching a time in which magic will become commonplace, because people
will call on the name of the LORD in order to resolve intractable problems, and God will answer with miraculous events which are basically nothing
short of the magic we would once have had access to - as a practice by occult arts which we would have naturally intuited, rather than by proxy
prayer/supplication - if the world had not been subject to the Fall, which screwed things up forevermore.
So can everyone please stop railing on the thread? I had hoped that my meaning would have been clear from the way I set up the main premise of the
OP, but I won't apologise simply because that wasn't the case for these precious magical practitioners who want to demonstrate their superior wisdom.
Practising magic in the manner they are intent on so doing, is not okay, for the reasons I have already expressed here & elsewhere. Plus it's
dangerous game, and you never quite know the harm you're doing, to yourself or others.
Just because a person can learn how to make a dirty bomb (and this metaphor is perfect, if you will understand it), doesn't mean they
edit on NovemberThursday21011CST05America/Chicago-060059 by FlyInTheOintment because: spelling, clarification