Kyle Rittenhouse's so-called victim just admitted under oath that KR shot him self-defense

a reply to: projectvxn

That's right! The toothless drummer.

Where do they dig these folks up?

a reply to: projectvxn

I agree. But how does the country being ran by corrupt layers into the ground keep making more work for lawyers.

It’s like lawyers egging on parties in a divorce to milk the process for all its worth.

a reply to: neutronflux

With cooperation from lawmakers and a very mouthy segment of the population, they are continually passing new laws. Thousands upon thousands of laws now work to ensnare regular folks in the lawyers' web.

In real life, we could get by with just a few dozen laws at best. The rest are meant to bleed us dry or take away some liberty under guise of "rule of law"

Lawyers are just a different type of "other/them" to watch out for

a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm not making anything up. My example was in reference to poster Bluetone's citation of a legal deffinition of "self defense". The only difference between Rittenhouse and the shoplifter, is that the shoplifter only stole some stuff, while Kyle Rittenhouse had just shot and killed a man. Both had just committed percieved crimes. Both were chased down and both were charged with crimes.

Rittenhouse was, for all intents and purposes, an active shooter. He was going to kill again, and he did kill again, and he tried to kill a 3rd time. Skateboard Guy and Bicep Boy thought themselves to be "good guys" stopping a bad guy who just shot and killed a man. They were just as justified in trying to stop/aprehend Rittenhouse as those victims of my shoplifter's real life example were. They all were attempting to stop a crime and apprehend a criminal. Their eneptitude has no bearing on whether or not they also could have asserted self defense, according the legal citation in question, had either of them been successful. I contend they could have.

The jury needs to decide if Rittenhouse shot the first guy in self defense or not. And if so, they also need to decide if he should get a twofer freebie, because a bunch a people freaked out when he shot and killed the first guy, and tried to stop what they thought was an active shooter/murderer, or not.

As far as your "hearsay" argument, that the other two victims didn't see the shooting, so they didn't have the right to try to apprehend Rittenhouuse, doesn''t hold water. A guy snatches a purse and runs. People shout "Hey stop that guy, he just stole a purse". It isn't reasonable to think that a cop, or capable good guy would say, "Nah, I didn't see it happen. He might be running to return that purse to a lady that left it on a park bench. Better to just let him go that to be wrong."

So, we are left with the question, do law breaking criminals fleeing a crime scene have the right to use lethal force to avoid apprehension? Do people who think they are not law breaking criminals, fleeing a crime scene have the right to use lethal force in order to NOT be detained? Does an innocent person fleeing a crime scene have the right to use lethal force to avoid being detained?

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Slandering underage individuals is especially egregious even under the law as I understand it. That's why Nicolas Sandman was able to sue everyone who ran their mouths about him smirking at that fake Vietnam vet native dude.

Yea, KR will be a rich dude here shortly.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Skateboard Guy and Bicep Boy thought themselves to be "good guys" stopping a bad guy who just shot and killed a man.

They did? Where is the evidence/video/testimony that indicates they attempted to place him under arrest?

Even a simple phrase such as "You're under arrest" would have sufficed.

Didn't happen.

In all cases, Citizens arrests are governed by fact vs. perception. If he had just unlawfully shot Rosenbaum, they'd have been right. If they were wrong, they are liable. They don't have the same protection as LEOs. But its a moot point, since no piece of evidence or a single eye witness indicated they were attempting to conduct a probable cause felony arrest or arrest for a misdemeanor committed in the citizens' presence.

The video makes clear they were seeking mob violence and retribution. Not to arrest him. Which, as it turns out, would have been improper anyhow.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If “ Skateboard Guy and Bicep Boy”, cared then they should have done something when the first guy that was shot made the threat he was going to f!ck’n kill Rittenhouse. Or maybe just not be in a riot threading bodily harm.

a reply to: JBurns

They did? Where is the evidence/video/testimony that indicates they attempted to place him under arrest?

Even a simple phrase such as "You're under arrest" would have sufficed.

LOL...Yeah, that's what every good guy with a gun, or weapon, trying to stop a bad guy with gun always does first.

/sarc

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Then you concede they did not attempt to arrest Kyle Rittenhouse.

a reply to: neutronflux

If “ Skateboard Guy and Bicep Boy”, cared then they should have done something when the first guy that was shot made the threat he was going to f!ck’n kill Rittenhouse.

Neither of them were privy to that exchange. They were, according to Shamrock6, informed by shouts of "Hey! Stop that guy! He just shot and killed a guy!"

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Then you concede they did not attempt to arrest Kyle Rittenhouse.

They tried to stop him, disarm him, knock him out, maybe shoot him. But Bicep Boy didn't have it in him to pull the trigger.

Had they succeeded, I believe they would have been able to use the cited legal deffinition of self defense.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Did they chase Rittenhouse.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Did they chase Rittenhouse.

Just like those guys who chased the shoplifter, and then got stabbed, did. The shoplifter was charged is assault. Rittenhose was charged with murder. Could've, should've the shoplifter walked because of claims of self defense?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: neutronflux

If “ Skateboard Guy and Bicep Boy”, cared then they should have done something when the first guy that was shot made the threat he was going to f!ck’n kill Rittenhouse.

Neither of them were privy to that exchange. They were, according to Shamrock6, informed by shouts of "Hey! Stop that guy! He just shot and killed a guy!"

You don’t even know when the threat, actually threats were made at Riitenhouse. Do you. So. Do you have proof they were not in the company and working with the individual that made threats?

Nice way to try to white wash the violent nature of the riot. And the inability of the protest organizes and city officials to maintain a safe environment for all.

Lol
Love it when "shoplifting" is compared to "murder".

Stretch Armstrong sends his regards.

a reply to: neutronflux

. Do you have proof they were not in the company and working with the individual that made threats?

Do you?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Did they chase Rittenhouse.

Just like those guys who chased the shoplifter, and then got stabbed, did. The shoplifter was charged is assault. Rittenhose was charged with murder. Could've, should've the shoplifter walked because of claims of self defense?

What is the state laws cited in the case vs the laws cited for Rittenhouse. I guess it comes down to the jury.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Lol
Love it when "shoplifting" is compared to "murder".

Stretch Armstrong sends his regards.

The shoplifter tried to murder/stab, the guys trying to catch and stop him. Rittenhouse shot two guys, killing one, who were trying to stop and disarm him.

Read what you posted carefully.

Rittenhouse shot two guys, killing one, who were trying to stop and disarm him.

So. They interfered with Rittenhouse rightfully protecting his own life? That is what they tried to stop?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Lol
Love it when "shoplifting" is compared to "murder".

Stretch Armstrong sends his regards.

The shoplifter tried to murder/stab, the guys trying to catch and stop him. Rittenhouse shot two guys, killing one, who were trying to stop and disarm him.

One committed a crime
One defended himself from a crime

No comparison
You attempting to make such is ridiculous