Kyle Rittenhouse's so-called victim just admitted under oath that KR shot him self-defense

a reply to: JBurns

In my armchair legal opinion, it would be prudent to let all the defensive evidence come to light before petitioning the judge for a directed verdict.

From my understanding they can only ask once or twice.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: JBurns

In my armchair legal opinion, it would be prudent to let all the defensive evidence come to light before petitioning the judge for a directed verdict.

From my understanding they can only ask once or twice.

And they already did once, they asked, and got the curfew charge tossed.

a reply to: vonclod

Mistrial is still on the table, especially given prosecutions rest

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: vonclod

Mistrial is still on the table, especially given prosecutions rest

It's been an interesting sh%tshow..pretty much from the start, with the prosecutor outright lying in opening statements.

a reply to: vonclod

Guessing the defense should be wrapped up early tomorrow with all the bonuses being thrown by the prosecution.

I wonder if there is also grounds for a mistrial as some moron was found recording jurors earlier today.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: vonclod

Guessing the defense should be wrapped up early tomorrow with all the bonuses being thrown by the prosecution.

I wonder if there is also grounds for a mistrial as some moron was found recording jurors earlier today.

I heard something about the filming..not good.

I'm not sure how many more witnesses they have, they could of almost not called any, the prosecution seemed to do the heavy lifting. The guy who exposed that the car lot brothers were full of it was a nice catch.

a reply to: vonclod

That whole line of questioning seems ripe for a civil suit IMO.

Doesn't seem relevant to a self defense case?

The prosecution is an embarrassment.

Holy hell.

It looks like these guys have NEVER tried a case EVER.

It's a comedy if errors.

I've been watching pretty much the whole trial (yay 3rd shift) on PBS News Hour.... There are 'legal experts' streaming and commenting on it during proceedings... I dont watch them because they talk over testimony. That being said, the ME testified FOR THE STATE that the headshot was a graze, and that the soot on Rosenbaums hand could have only occured within inches of the barrel. Another witness FOR THE STATE testified that Rosenbaum told a group (which Kyle was apart of) that "if I catch any of you alone tonight, I'm going to f'ing kill you". To move on to skateboard guy, not one witness (these are all still state witnesses, they did not rest until this afternoon) has contested that he made contact on Kyle's neck/head with that skateboard. As for the one that got his bicep blown off (90% according to him) he did admit after initially lying that he was not fired upon until he had pointed his gun at Kyle.

a reply to: JinMI

I thought this too, but it could easily result in him being charged again. They’d love to do some judge shopping I am sure. An acquittal via jury or directed verdict would be the best. Dismissed with prejudice would be a reliably good outcome too.

It seems clear cut, some juries are odd but you just have to hope they follow the facts and not all the spin out there

What body language says:


The prosecutors are flunkies.

This trial needs to end yesterday with all charges dropped.

a reply to: projectvxn

Defense attorneys on TV seem to be happier too. The system must be set up to help them, because a man/women/other is presumed INNOCENT, until proven guilty.

a reply to: projectvxn

It's heartwarming to see almost no one in your photo wearing one of those hideous masks.

I stopped at a big gas station/store in Wisconsin, 2 weeks ago. People immediately knew I was from Illinois, because I went in wearing a mask. Immediately removed it, and didn't have to put it back on again up there (for 4 days), unless entering a restaurant.

The people attacking rittenhouse and rioting are criminals

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Only because you don't want it to.

Rittenhouse tried to get away, he was chased, attacked--and he defended himself, as he is allowed to do.

It is as cut and dried a verdict of not guilty as I've seen in a while.

But...

One never quite knows what a jury will think.

a reply to: seagull

Rittenhouse tried to get away, he was chased, attacked--and he defended himself,

After he shot and killed someone.

If you saw a gunman shoot and kill someone, would'nt you think someone, a good guy with a gun, or a skateboard, would to try to stop that armed gunman before he kills again?

as he is allowed to do.

Only if he isn't a criminal fleeing the scene of the murder/crime. That's what the jury needs to decide, if that first kill was self defense, or not.

If a shoplifter flees a store, and someone in the parking lot with a points a gun at them, to try to stop them, and he kills that person before they can get a shot off, is it still self defense?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The analogy you keep attempting to convey is not an apples to apples comparison.

However to answer the question, maybe. Lots of factors. They don't have to be mutually exclusive either.

a reply to: JinMI

The analogy you keep attempting to convey is not an apples to apples comparison.

I think that's what this boils down to. If the jury finds Rittenhouse justifyably used lethal force in self defense when he shot and killed the first guy, then he most likely was also justified in the two other shootings.

If the jury finds him guilty of murdering the first guy, then the others guys would have been justified in attacking him and pointing a gun at him...in my opinion.

It all hinges on the jury's perpective.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Who was going around threading to kill who before the shooting?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Do you just purposefully ignore facts and evidence….

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — The first man shot by Kyle Rittenhouse on the streets of Kenosha was “hyperaggressive” that night, threatened to kill Rittenhouse and later lunged for his rifle just before the 17-year-old fired, witnesses testified Thursday.

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