Would you have killed Hitler if you had the chance? Old Testament Ethics

a reply to: cooperton

No, I wouldn't kill him at that point.

Why?

Because he hadn't done anything yet.

a reply to: cooperton

If an inexpicable force had the potential to wipe-out most of the earth, this same force would also have better foreknowledge than humans. Why do you assume this interference was for the worse? How do you know if someone dying is good or bad?

Better foreknowledge or just better impunity? It's the impunity part I have trouble with. Executive decisions from an invisible authority are the bane of civilized society. Absolute power must come with absolute accountability or by definition it is tyranny.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Better foreknowledge or just better impunity? It's the impunity part I have trouble with. Executive decisions from an invisible authority are the bane of civilized society. Absolute power must come with absolute accountability or by definition it is tyranny.

If this is truly God creator of the universe, then it's executive decision making is far more intelligent than any human could contrive. Would you have spared the race of flesh-eating giants in Jericho? They likely would have re-congregated and annihilated your entire tribe the next day.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: cooperton

This is equally applicable to so many politicians, presidents, prime ministers and their globalist puppet masters today. Rather than examine a hypothetical situation, it seems to me that our present situation requires some serious applications of chlorine for the gene pool.

There is just the question of whether to lead or follow when SHTF.

Cheers - Dave

This is the crux of the problem. You can always find some person who looking back through the 20/20 vision should have been killed. It simply doesn't end. Also, since the future is dependent upon history, you inevitably don't know how much better or worse things would be if that one bad historical figure didn't exist or wasn't able to make certain decisions.

I would start with Genghis Khan. First come first go.

a reply to: cooperton

If this is truly God creator of the universe, then it's executive decision making is far more intelligent than any human could contrive. Would you have spared the race of flesh-eating giants in Jericho? They likely would have re-congregated and annihilated your entire tribe the next day.

Absolute power must come with absolute accountability or it is by definition tyranny. Whether that tyranny occasionally works to our advantage is irrelevant.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Absolute power must come with absolute accountability or it is by definition tyranny. Whether that tyranny occasionally works to our advantage is irrelevant.

As with any executive decision maker, ideally they are the most competent decision maker. Given that God is the Alpha-Omega (knower of all time), it would make sense that this Being would be most fit to intervene. Reading the stories in the OT it makes sense why certain groups of people had to be mitigated or eliminated.

If you are going off the Biblical narrative, then God is omniscient and also a benefactor, and for this reason there is no way that God could make a mistake. The depths of scripture are found from questioning without bias and looking into the details of the story.

a reply to: cooperton

Just started growing plants.. have found that if you cut off the main stem, two will pop up on either side to replace it.. trim those 2 and you'll have 4 brand new replacements... So on, and so forth.

a reply to: cooperton

for this reason there is no way that God could make a mistake

With respect, that's incredibly naive. Literally everything that can arguably be described as being alive and having a brain and any amount of sentience is capable of making mistakes, unless you're a narcissist. I can't depend on ideals because I live in a reality where even the best intentions and tools can be randomly thwarted by circumstance and error in calculation. What insurance do you have if he can in fact make mistakes and it happens to you? Killing Hitler before he becomes a true war criminal is just one example among many when this epic sky wizard played his cards because it was convenient to him regardless of who prays for what and how much they deserve it. There's no plan B if he decides to reward the villain or punish the hero based on arbitrary factors that are never explained, there's no prosecution if an innocent person is killed or tortured to win a game between two equally cruel and self important entities, there's no military force who can protect you when he goes to war whether you are guilty or not. You are a casualty, an expendable asset in his video game, an NPC who exists only to serve a two dimensional function in some grand quest beyond our line of sight.

Absolute power must come with absolute accountability or it is by definition tyranny. If he can't interact on our terms and submit himself to our laws, then he's a coward.

Would you have killed Hitler if you had the chance?

Kill him?? Noo. I would have loved him. That's all he really ever wanted/needed.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It seems to me the kind of monster he became and the kind of world he fostered drew in and harbored the worst of humanity at the time. Manson would not have been out of place there and might have risen quite high. Look at Mengele, for example.

a reply to: cooperton

I have no comment other than your thread and OP was a good read. Please keep them coming.

a reply to: cooperton

It is very possible that future people HAVE gone back in time to rectify past events to keep the world safe in their eyes. Suppose there was a Nazi 100 times worse than Hitler and was sanctioned just before WW2 occurred. Lets call him Nazi1. The time travelers kill Nazi1 and find they have no way to return as it drastically changed the future to not include time travel. The time travelers would have to leave instructions somewhere for the future people to NOT kill Nazi1 so that they could return to their future time.

This could get confusing, but what I am saying is that changing the past would not be such a great idea. We have to learn from our mistakes, but changing the past could eliminate even us in the future, a very big mistake...

a reply to: NightFlight

Now you're playing with a concept that has been brought up in Doctor Who - some things are fixed points and meant to be. If you try to change them, they still happen albeit in a way slightly altered from the original. There is a very creepy Mars episode that plays with that concept. The first colony on Mars is destroyed and there are no survivors, and the Doctor knows this, but he decides to attempt to alter it anyhow.

History corrects with only minor changes in the end.

It's an epically sad episode ultimately.

But what you're playing at heads that way. Maybe there is intended to be an ultimately evil Nazi leader, and if people from the future did remove him, Hitler arose to take his place leading to the same outcomes overall because what was meant to be was meant to be.

a reply to: NightFlight

That's pretty much the way I look at it too. IF it were somehow possible for me in the future to go back in time and change something in the past, then I already did it.

That's basically the end of it. If what was changed occurred in the past, then it has already been changed.

originally posted by: cooperton
If you were given the chance to kill Hitler before his rise to power, would you do it? Or at the very least, would you insist upon someone doing it?

Side note: incidentally, this question was asked and answered in the movie "The Dead Zone".

a reply to: cooperton

Left wing fascism seems a little more disingenuous but the aims and underlying ideology are the same.

At least the Nazi's didn't hide their agenda and pander to extremist fringe groups.

I can't imagine Hitler bending the knee or turning up to pride with a rainbow flag that's for sure.

Eventually this libtard influence on our society will give rise to a similar backlash and resistance movement, the more the progressive left pushes the further right traditional conservatives are forced.



Ring any bells?

Dictators are the front men for ideology when things are going well and the fall guys when the plan fails. They die but the ideological beliefs remain to rise again.

a reply to: Grenade

Hitler didn't. The LGBT crowd were in the camps with the Jews. They had different colored stars.

To blame God for your problems or the problems of the world would be to make a judgement against the divine natural order, which is infallible. 

There is no such thing as infallible. It doesn't exist. Infallible is a fancy phrase that translates to unquestionable, as in "don't you dare question our morals or agenda because we can't be wrong".

You seriously don't see the problem with that?

a reply to: ketsuko

Red instead of brown?

Sorry bad joke in poor taste.