Italian Institute Of Health Covid Death Adjustment.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Unaffiliated and from what i can tell not making any profit from vaccines or mandates.

a reply to: chr0naut

Do you actually believe the nonsense you peddle or is it 100% trolling?

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse
Honesty sucks. Now other countries will need to adjust their numbers to more real figures since Italy did this. It is going to give doom and gloom spreaders depression and cause millions of people to need psychiatrists since they parroted a lie. I can see the mental health industry making some major worker increases in the near future, well, it will put lots of people to work I suppose.

Or they might realise the article in the OP is fiction and Italy hasn't reduced the number of deaths from covid by 96%.

The only thing that might cause depression is realising that the same bogus conspiracies are being recycled with just a different country.

I don't know, those percentages do kind of match the figures I saw from the CDC that show how many deaths were directly caused by the covid virus in this country. How it is being interpretted seems to be the issue, Italy is not going to change their official tallies just as the USA isn't. Just because you test positive or have symptoms similar to covid when you die does not mean that the virus actually killed the person. Covid 19 seems to be the name of the Sepsis that people get if they have covid in their nose. Very few of the three quarters of a million covid deaths in this country were caused directly by the virus. When questioned under oath the CDC director actually stated the actual number of covid caused cases in an inquiry a while back. Most people don't actually watch those hearings, and if they do, they can't even fathom the truth when it comes out. This whole covid pandemic is nothing but twisted BS. The virus is about the only real thing in the pandemic, and it is not nearly as much of a threat as they are saying it is. It is a wimpy virus that is susceptable to many different natural antiviral chemistries that can disable it and keep it from killing people or making them really sick. Oh wait, NIH funding funded that research and Fauchi never even mentioned that in any of his self promotion videos on the news. None of those natural anti-viral chemistries is patentable either, other than NAC.

I have already provided links showing how the claim regarding how many deaths are related to covid was a (deliberate) misinterpreting of the figures.

Comorbities does not mean that it wasn't covid that killed them.

Your logic is quite flawed. Death attributed solely to covid is next to nothing -- it's the comorbidities that people have thats attributing to the death count. No one said COVID didn't help with the process. What they're saying is that COVID by itself did not kill the majority of people. Thus, forcing otherwise healthy individuals to mask up, or get a blatant exmaple of government overreach mandated vaccine, it's quite counterintuitive. Natural immunity has been shown to be more effective than the vaccine. Vaccines are showing to offer no protection whatsoever, let alone immunity. Still spread it. Still get sick. Still end up hospitalized, and still die. They like to tout that it reduces your chances of the latter happening, and maybe it does, but it only reduces those chances by 0.01-0.1%. Your chances of death from covid -- natural immunity vs vaccinated -- are virtually the same.

Why, I must ask, is the point of all the hysteria? You being scared of getting sick = proper reason to infringe on my freedoms? Do you have the same attitude towards the flu? Do you get the flu shot every year, wear a mask all flu season? Hell, did you wear a mask all year long prior to covid? The flu is a bitch and highly transmissable -- and fairly deadly. So is it just the media fear mongering that gets you, or are you this bullish over all vaccines and seasonal illnesses?

Do you feel the same about measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, chicken pox, polio etc? Are we keeping kids out of schools that aren't vaccinated for any of those? Do businesses shut down during flu season? Are people attacking one another for not wearing a mask during flu season? Do businesses deny customers because they're not wearing a mask during flu season?

Also, do you know anyone whose had covid? I've known a few. Do you know what the Dr's are prescibing them for covid? Over the counter seasonal flu medicine. Theraflu, cough drops, and in some cases prescription antibiotics. Did you know that in some cases people are being denied a second PCR test because "they already tested positive"? Suddenly getting a second medical opinion is frowned upon. Wasn't it Alberta Canada that first announced they were going to treat Covid as seasonal flu, and telling people to quit going to the doctor unless you have severe symptoms? The same type of sh!t they tell everyone when they're sick with the flu or some other virus.

Also, also.. remember when we were told to just "let a virus run its course"? How quick people forget because the media and other idiots do nothing but lie to support political agendas and the truth matters as much as the ant I stepped on 20 minutes ago.

Covid was the primary cause of death in the vast majority of cases.

www.cdc.gov...

They died because they had covid.

There was a greater than 20% increase in excess deaths between March and February in the US. A virtually unprecedented increase , this was not the equivalent of normal flu.

The only people I remember saying it should just left ti run it's course are the same people underplaying the severity of covid and telling outright lies like the premise of this thread.

"the Institute says COVID-19 has killed fewer people than the average bout of seasonal flu."

and they crippled civilization over this crap. so sad

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
"the Institute says COVID-19 has killed fewer people than the average bout of seasonal flu."

and they crippled civilization over this crap. so sad

They didn't say that.

Read the thread.

a reply to: ScepticScot

i say it.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
a reply to: ScepticScot

i say it.

Your opinion is noted.

Got any facts to back it up?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well we always knew the COVID19 death index was faked up and now we have proof 😎

Haven't read the thread then.

What did I miss? 👀

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well we always knew the COVID19 death index was faked up and now we have proof 😎

Haven't read the thread then.

What did I miss? 👀

That the claims in the OP are completely wrong for a start.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what's causing the 15% increase in overall deaths in the UK currently because even from official sources it's not Covid.

Cue the mental gymnastics.

a reply to: imthegoat

Also has anyone explained yet as to why they changed the definition of vaccine once they figured out it doesn't offer immunity to the disease? Did we all forget what vaccine actually means? You think theres a reason they call it the "flu shot" rather than "flu vaccine"? Because it's not a vaccine -- it's a booster shot. The same thing that's coming with Covid. Annual booster shots -- twice annually if it's ineffective after 7 months. They're lying to everyone and it's absolutely blatant. Pretty sure even an average IQ can pick up on that pattern.

Absolutely perfectly SPOT ON!!

THANK YOU!

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well we always knew the COVID19 death index was faked up and now we have proof 😎

Haven't read the thread then.

What did I miss? 👀

That the claims in the OP are completely wrong for a start.

WHAT !!!!🙀

No. They did not die because of covid alone. They died because of covid WITH underlying comorbidities. The intended use of language is implied here. This whole argument goes back to Sept 2020 -- the CDC's own website said that COVID ONLY can be attributed to 6% of the deaths. The other 94% were covid with underlying conditions.

A bogus claim circulating social media — one that purports that "only 6%" of the reported COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are solely attributable to the new coronavirus — is dangerously misleading, infectious disease experts told Live Science.

This claim stems from an Aug. 26 update the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) posted on its website, which provides a detailed breakdown of the accompanying health conditions (known as comorbidities) and contributing causes of death reported in people who have died of the new coronavirus in the United States. The CDC noted that "For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned."

In other words, 6% of people who died when they had COVID-19 didn't have underlying conditions, such as diabetes, asthma or heart disease, and didn't experience any medical complications, such as kidney failure or sepsis. But the other 94% of deaths were still caused by COVID-19, infectious disease experts said. That's because many chronic, underlying conditions can make diseases that a person might otherwise recover from, such as COVID-19, suddenly deadl

Notice how the liberal source (LiveScience) is even contradicting its headline in their very own article.

Viral claim that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths were caused by the virus is flat-out wrong

It's not flat out wrong -- its taken out of context (purposefully). Covid alone, by the CDC's own numbers at the time (Sept-Oct 2020) was only resposible for 6% of deaths. Admitted in their own article too, as quoted above.

Source here

Also note that lower in the article they compare it to HIV and it not being the leading cause of death itself, but the 'side effects', if you will, of the compromised immune system is what most people succumb to. But they still claim HIV has killed 32m world wide. They're supporting the very argument they claim is "flat-out wrong."

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what's causing the 15% increase in overall deaths in the UK currently because even from official sources it's not Covid.

Cue the mental gymnastics.

What official sources say it's not covid?

a reply to: ScepticScot

The ministry of truth themselves, again lets use latest official figures from ONS:

Latest ONS figures

In the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42), 11,308 deaths were registered in England and Wales; this was 131 more deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 14.6% above the five-year average (1,443 more deaths).

The number of deaths registered in England in the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42) was 10,577; this was 139 more deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 14.8% above the five-year average (1,362 more deaths).

The number of deaths registered in Wales in the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42) was 711; this was 8 fewer deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 12.9% above the five-year average (81 more deaths).

Of the deaths registered in Week 42 in England and Wales, 792 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 7.0% of all deaths; this was an increase compared with Week 41 (713 deaths, 6.4% of all deaths).

The number of deaths involving COVID-19 in England increased to 708 in Week 42, compared with 640 in Week 41; for Wales, deaths involving COVID-19 increased to 81 in Week 42, compared with 71 in Week 41.

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 22 October 2021 was 12,935, which was 1,722 more than the five-year average; of deaths registered in the UK in Week 42, 974 involved COVID-19, which was 82 more than in Week 41.

Even if you remove the deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test which is a poor measurement in itself you still need to explain 651 deaths above the 5 year average which is statistically relevant at over 7%.

You also need to explain why there's more Covid deaths this year over last considering the vast majority of the population is now vaccinated.

This trend is repeated week on week, month after month.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

The ministry of truth themselves, again lets use latest official figures from ONS:

Latest ONS figures

In the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42), 11,308 deaths were registered in England and Wales; this was 131 more deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 14.6% above the five-year average (1,443 more deaths).

The number of deaths registered in England in the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42) was 10,577; this was 139 more deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 14.8% above the five-year average (1,362 more deaths).

The number of deaths registered in Wales in the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42) was 711; this was 8 fewer deaths than the previous week (Week 41) and 12.9% above the five-year average (81 more deaths).

Of the deaths registered in Week 42 in England and Wales, 792 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 7.0% of all deaths; this was an increase compared with Week 41 (713 deaths, 6.4% of all deaths).

The number of deaths involving COVID-19 in England increased to 708 in Week 42, compared with 640 in Week 41; for Wales, deaths involving COVID-19 increased to 81 in Week 42, compared with 71 in Week 41.

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 22 October 2021 was 12,935, which was 1,722 more than the five-year average; of deaths registered in the UK in Week 42, 974 involved COVID-19, which was 82 more than in Week 41.

Even if you remove the deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test which is a poor measurement in itself you still need to explain 651 deaths above the 5 year average which is statistically relevant at over 7%.

You also need to explain why there's more Covid deaths this year over last considering the vast majority of the population is now vaccinated.

This trend is repeated week on week, month after month.

For 2021 recorded covid deaths account for circa 60% of excess deaths recorded.

Covid vaccination programme took months to roll out and there is an obvious lag between people catching covid and death. It's entirely dishonest to claim thete should be a reduction year on year in covid deaths based on cuurent vaccination levels.

The excess death figures have consistently been above recorded covid deaths, suggesting we are under reporting the severity of covid, not that covid is less serious as you have consistently suggested.

a reply to: imthegoat

Having comorbities does not mean that it wasn't covid that killed them.

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Even you don't believe that surely.

This post confirms you're at it.

No-ones logic is that flawed or blind.

I bid you adieu.

originally posted by: gortex

The joint ISTAT-ISS reports drawn up on the basis of death certificates show that COVID-19 is the directly responsible cause of death in 89% of deaths of people who are positive for the SARS-CoV-2 test

archive.md...-181.22-181.28

So the economy and our children's future prospects were destroyed because 89% of the deaths had co-morbities? This may sound cold, but these people were not healthy, though not necessarily with one foot in the grave. That is nature. We will never not live under nature and need to come to grips with it. Most were elderly or compromised. It's unethical to put the elderly before the children or force vaxxed them with experimental substances. Not that we shouldn't give the best care to anyone ill regardless of age or condition, but the societal damage from the propaganda is enormous.

If the percentage was 89%, of the hospitalized, dying with no prior co-morbidity then I could see the cause for alarm but this is ridiculous, especially when the vast majority of people get mild flu-like symptoms.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Even you don't believe that surely.

This post confirms you're at it.

No-ones logic is that flawed or blind.

I bid you adieu.

Typical response from someone unable to discuss rationally.