Italian Institute Of Health Covid Death Adjustment.

a reply to: IAMTAT

The BBC, a bastion of independent journalism, free from bias, influence or state control.

Oh wait.

BBC funding

Significant donors included the UK Department for International Development (DFID), the European Union, several UN agencies, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency (SIDA) and many others.

That doesn't even mention the millions from NORAD, Facebook, Twitter, Walgreen Boots etc etc.

More fake BS on ATS.

Should be in LOL forum.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

I suggest you read your own sources:

"Back in August, Infection Control Today®’s sister publication, Contagion®, spoke to one of the declaration’s authors, Martin Kulldorff, PhD, Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School & Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He spoke on a number of topics including the age-targeted approach to dealing with COVID-19. To view that interview and learn more about the declaration, click here.

This story originally appeared inContagionLive!®"

The link you provided was to a different article.

That article was referenced in my link but was still a separate article.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Honesty sucks. Now other countries will need to adjust their numbers to more real figures since Italy did this. It is going to give doom and gloom spreaders depression and cause millions of people to need psychiatrists since they parroted a lie. I can see the mental health industry making some major worker increases in the near future, well, it will put lots of people to work I suppose.

Or they might realise the article in the OP is fiction and Italy hasn't reduced the number of deaths from covid by 96%.

The only thing that might cause depression is realising that the same bogus conspiracies are being recycled with just a different country.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Maybe in confirmation bias land.

Let's be honest you need to be right about vaccines now that you've taken them. I on the other hand can afford to be wrong due to natural immunity.

The overwhelming evidence is I am right.

The overwhelming evidence from the Swedish data shows that the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine is reduced to 50% efficacy after 4 months and nil after 7. The Astrazeneca vaccine actually goes negative after 7 months -- meaning your immune system is worse off than before you got the shot.

There are two ways to perceive that data; just like the arguments being presented already.

1. It shows that the vaccines don't work, and we've all been right the entire time.

2. It shows that we do, in fact, need booster shots.

And if you choose #2 -- you're probably not all right in the head. If the first two major doses didn't work, what makes you think a 3rd "booster" shot will be the cure-all end game? How much of your immune system are you willing to trash for a booster shot every 6 months? Are the (very) short term effects worth it in the long run? We don't even know what the long run is going to be like yet. The data that we do have doesn't look promising. Long term effects are what's at play, and if it keeps going the current route -- it wont be good, at all. Especially not with forced, mandated, vaccines.

Combine the Swedish data with the Israeli data and you'll have a much better outlook on the future of the vaccines. It's nothing but a great money making tool for big pharma and the politicians who are in their pockets.

Also has anyone explained yet as to why they changed the definition of vaccine once they figured out it doesn't offer immunity to the disease? Did we all forget what vaccine actually means? You think theres a reason they call it the "flu shot" rather than "flu vaccine"? Because it's not a vaccine -- it's a booster shot. The same thing that's coming with Covid. Annual booster shots -- twice annually if it's ineffective after 7 months. They're lying to everyone and it's absolutely blatant. Pretty sure even an average IQ can pick up on that pattern.

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Maybe in confirmation bias land.

Let's be honest you need to be right about vaccines now that you've taken them. I on the other hand can afford to be wrong due to natural immunity.

The overwhelming evidence is I am right.

The overwhelming evidence from the Swedish data shows that the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine is reduced to 50% efficacy after 4 months and nil after 7. The Astrazeneca vaccine actually goes negative after 7 months -- meaning your immune system is worse off than before you got the shot.

There are two ways to perceive that data; just like the arguments being presented already.

1. It shows that the vaccines don't work, and we've all been right the entire time.

2. It shows that we do, in fact, need booster shots.

And if you choose #2 -- you're probably not all right in the head. If the first two major doses didn't work, what makes you think a 3rd "booster" shot will be the cure-all end game? How much of your immune system are you willing to trash for a booster shot every 6 months? Are the (very) short term effects worth it in the long run? We don't even know what the long run is going to be like yet. The data that we do have doesn't look promising. Long term effects are what's at play, and if it keeps going the current route -- it wont be good, at all. Especially not with forced, mandated, vaccines.

Combine the Swedish data with the Israeli data and you'll have a much better outlook on the future of the vaccines. It's nothing but a great money making tool for big pharma and the politicians who are in their pockets.

Also has anyone explained yet as to why they changed the definition of vaccine once they figured out it doesn't offer immunity to the disease? Did we all forget what vaccine actually means? You think theres a reason they call it the "flu shot" rather than "flu vaccine"? Because it's not a vaccine -- it's a booster shot. The same thing that's coming with Covid. Annual booster shots -- twice annually if it's ineffective after 7 months. They're lying to everyone and it's absolutely blatant. Pretty sure even an average IQ can pick up on that pattern.

You haven't provided any link to the study.

They do call it the flu vaccine.

www.nhs.uk...

www.medicinenet.com...#:~:text=Flu%20shot%3A%20An%20immunization%20given,common%20during%20the%20upcoming%20season.

Shot is just another term for injection.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

I remember similar scenes and rhetoric in the UK press.

Not what i seen when i went to A+E, i was the only person there and the wards were empty.

In fact i have a friend who works at Hairmyres Hospital in Scotland, according to him the critical care wards had the most available beds they've had in years however the morgues were full due to people dying at home, afraid to seek hospital care. Not to mention the huge increase in drug related deaths and suicides.

Overall deaths are higher than the 5 year average week on week in the UK since the vaccination program began, even comparative to the height of the pandemic when we had no vaccinations.

COVID-19 is an infectious disease. The wards containing COVID patients would have been under strict quarantine, and off limits to the public and even most medical staff. That would explain why you wouldn't see them in A&E. Probably ditto for your friend, but I don't know their circumstance.

The weekly numbers of infected in the UK have risen up until a a peak of 5.7 million (that's a lot of cases in a week) in the week of 26th April 2021 and the numbers have been falling, gradually, ever since. With such numbers new infections, it is obvious why there would be more people since last year.

originally posted by: havok

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Smigg


I can actually remember the constant daily images of crowded Italian COVID wards and spiraling death tolls that all came out for a month or so when the epidemic was at its fastest spread.

Funny how all those comorbidities waited to gang-up with COVID-19, and start overfilling hospital wards all at the same time, though?

You can remember all the propaganda too?
All the same shots used by multiple news networks then claiming that they were different areas? Yep.

I remember that hysteria too.
You bought it.

I don't trust anything the MSM shows.

Yes, that is because the press normally are not allowed into quarantine areas, and so the press around the world re-used the same footage from an Italian hospital where the quarantine protocols had been breached by the Italian media.

I don't trust the MSM's reportage, either. But I do give it a tad more credibility than social media, conspiracy sites, and pretty much anything online coming out of the USA.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Okay I'll do the work for you I guess.

Swedish study on vaccine effectiveness: here

CDC changing the definition of vaccine: here and here

before you try knocking any sources; take a gander at their sources first.

Next time learn to use Google yourself. Another sense of entitlement that's rampant these days.

a reply to: chr0naut

I don't trust the MSM's reportage

Actually you do.
And bad.
I was in the hospital here for checkups for nearly 2 years.
It was a ghosttown.
I was watching the news on my phone, from the empty hospital...about the hospital I WAS SITTING IN being overrun.
I don't need you or any other source to confirm

originally posted by: imthegoat
a reply to: ScepticScot

Okay I'll do the work for you I guess.

Swedish study on vaccine effectiveness: here

CDC changing the definition of vaccine: here and here

before you try knocking any sources; take a gander at their sources first.

Next time learn to use Google yourself. Another sense of entitlement that's rampant these days.

You didn't provide any sources for me to knock.

Since you now have the conclusion to the study is this.

This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.

Your other links have nothing to do with your claim that the 'flu shot' isn't a vaccine.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse
Honesty sucks. Now other countries will need to adjust their numbers to more real figures since Italy did this. It is going to give doom and gloom spreaders depression and cause millions of people to need psychiatrists since they parroted a lie. I can see the mental health industry making some major worker increases in the near future, well, it will put lots of people to work I suppose.

Or they might realise the article in the OP is fiction and Italy hasn't reduced the number of deaths from covid by 96%.

The only thing that might cause depression is realising that the same bogus conspiracies are being recycled with just a different country.

I don't know, those percentages do kind of match the figures I saw from the CDC that show how many deaths were directly caused by the covid virus in this country. How it is being interpretted seems to be the issue, Italy is not going to change their official tallies just as the USA isn't. Just because you test positive or have symptoms similar to covid when you die does not mean that the virus actually killed the person. Covid 19 seems to be the name of the Sepsis that people get if they have covid in their nose. Very few of the three quarters of a million covid deaths in this country were caused directly by the virus. When questioned under oath the CDC director actually stated the actual number of covid caused cases in an inquiry a while back. Most people don't actually watch those hearings, and if they do, they can't even fathom the truth when it comes out. This whole covid pandemic is nothing but twisted BS. The virus is about the only real thing in the pandemic, and it is not nearly as much of a threat as they are saying it is. It is a wimpy virus that is susceptable to many different natural antiviral chemistries that can disable it and keep it from killing people or making them really sick. Oh wait, NIH funding funded that research and Fauchi never even mentioned that in any of his self promotion videos on the news. None of those natural anti-viral chemistries is patentable either, other than NAC.

a reply to: jerich0

Remember that brief flurry of concern over young people dropping dead from popcorn lung after vaping? That story disappeared with COVID. Is vaping safe now, or was that early covid infections?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse
Honesty sucks. Now other countries will need to adjust their numbers to more real figures since Italy did this. It is going to give doom and gloom spreaders depression and cause millions of people to need psychiatrists since they parroted a lie. I can see the mental health industry making some major worker increases in the near future, well, it will put lots of people to work I suppose.

Or they might realise the article in the OP is fiction and Italy hasn't reduced the number of deaths from covid by 96%.

The only thing that might cause depression is realising that the same bogus conspiracies are being recycled with just a different country.

I don't know, those percentages do kind of match the figures I saw from the CDC that show how many deaths were directly caused by the covid virus in this country. How it is being interpretted seems to be the issue, Italy is not going to change their official tallies just as the USA isn't. Just because you test positive or have symptoms similar to covid when you die does not mean that the virus actually killed the person. Covid 19 seems to be the name of the Sepsis that people get if they have covid in their nose. Very few of the three quarters of a million covid deaths in this country were caused directly by the virus. When questioned under oath the CDC director actually stated the actual number of covid caused cases in an inquiry a while back. Most people don't actually watch those hearings, and if they do, they can't even fathom the truth when it comes out. This whole covid pandemic is nothing but twisted BS. The virus is about the only real thing in the pandemic, and it is not nearly as much of a threat as they are saying it is. It is a wimpy virus that is susceptable to many different natural antiviral chemistries that can disable it and keep it from killing people or making them really sick. Oh wait, NIH funding funded that research and Fauchi never even mentioned that in any of his self promotion videos on the news. None of those natural anti-viral chemistries is patentable either, other than NAC.

I have already provided links showing how the claim regarding how many deaths are related to covid was a (deliberate) misinterpreting of the figures.

Comorbities does not mean that it wasn't covid that killed them.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

I remember similar scenes and rhetoric in the UK press.

Not what i seen when i went to A+E, i was the only person there and the wards were empty.

In fact i have a friend who works at Hairmyres Hospital in Scotland, according to him the critical care wards had the most available beds they've had in years however the morgues were full due to people dying at home, afraid to seek hospital care. Not to mention the huge increase in drug related deaths and suicides.

Overall deaths are higher than the 5 year average week on week in the UK since the vaccination program began, even comparative to the height of the pandemic when we had no vaccinations.

The weekly numbers of infected in the UK have risen up until a a peak of 5.7 million (that's a lot of cases in a week) in the week of 26th April 2021 and the numbers have been falling, gradually, ever since. With such numbers new infections, it is obvious why there would be more people since last year.

I think your numbers or wrong or I'm misunderstanding what you're conveying. UK numbers in April were some of the lowest since July 2020. Funny enough, the uptick in cases came after the 6th month mark since the vaccine started. It was rolled out in the UK in Dec 2020. They started rising in the beginning of June, and by July it was almost 30,000-50,000 cases a day. Perfectly in line with the Swedish study I posted above. Can be seen here

Extrapolate the data and compare to study out of Sweden. Booster shots every 6 months coming in no time. It will be an annual booster shot just like the flu.

Well we always knew the COVID19 death index was faked up and now we have proof 😎

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well we always knew the COVID19 death index was faked up and now we have proof 😎

Haven't read the thread then.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes, both spouting the same garbage and using the same compromised sources, may as well have a sponsored by Pfizer caveat.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes, both spouting the same garbage and using the same compromised sources, may as well have a sponsored by Pfizer caveat.

As opposed to your sources that are ... what exactly?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse
Honesty sucks. Now other countries will need to adjust their numbers to more real figures since Italy did this. It is going to give doom and gloom spreaders depression and cause millions of people to need psychiatrists since they parroted a lie. I can see the mental health industry making some major worker increases in the near future, well, it will put lots of people to work I suppose.

Or they might realise the article in the OP is fiction and Italy hasn't reduced the number of deaths from covid by 96%.

The only thing that might cause depression is realising that the same bogus conspiracies are being recycled with just a different country.

I don't know, those percentages do kind of match the figures I saw from the CDC that show how many deaths were directly caused by the covid virus in this country. How it is being interpretted seems to be the issue, Italy is not going to change their official tallies just as the USA isn't. Just because you test positive or have symptoms similar to covid when you die does not mean that the virus actually killed the person. Covid 19 seems to be the name of the Sepsis that people get if they have covid in their nose. Very few of the three quarters of a million covid deaths in this country were caused directly by the virus. When questioned under oath the CDC director actually stated the actual number of covid caused cases in an inquiry a while back. Most people don't actually watch those hearings, and if they do, they can't even fathom the truth when it comes out. This whole covid pandemic is nothing but twisted BS. The virus is about the only real thing in the pandemic, and it is not nearly as much of a threat as they are saying it is. It is a wimpy virus that is susceptable to many different natural antiviral chemistries that can disable it and keep it from killing people or making them really sick. Oh wait, NIH funding funded that research and Fauchi never even mentioned that in any of his self promotion videos on the news. None of those natural anti-viral chemistries is patentable either, other than NAC.

I have already provided links showing how the claim regarding how many deaths are related to covid was a (deliberate) misinterpreting of the figures.

Comorbities does not mean that it wasn't covid that killed them.

Your logic is quite flawed. Death attributed solely to covid is next to nothing -- it's the comorbidities that people have thats attributing to the death count. No one said COVID didn't help with the process. What they're saying is that COVID by itself did not kill the majority of people. Thus, forcing otherwise healthy individuals to mask up, or get a blatant exmaple of government overreach mandated vaccine, it's quite counterintuitive. Natural immunity has been shown to be more effective than the vaccine. Vaccines are showing to offer no protection whatsoever, let alone immunity. Still spread it. Still get sick. Still end up hospitalized, and still die. They like to tout that it reduces your chances of the latter happening, and maybe it does, but it only reduces those chances by 0.01-0.1%. Your chances of death from covid -- natural immunity vs vaccinated -- are virtually the same.

Why, I must ask, is the point of all the hysteria? You being scared of getting sick = proper reason to infringe on my freedoms? Do you have the same attitude towards the flu? Do you get the flu shot every year, wear a mask all flu season? Hell, did you wear a mask all year long prior to covid? The flu is a bitch and highly transmissable -- and fairly deadly. So is it just the media fear mongering that gets you, or are you this bullish over all vaccines and seasonal illnesses?

Do you feel the same about measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, chicken pox, polio etc? Are we keeping kids out of schools that aren't vaccinated for any of those? Do businesses shut down during flu season? Are people attacking one another for not wearing a mask during flu season? Do businesses deny customers because they're not wearing a mask during flu season?

Also, do you know anyone whose had covid? I've known a few. Do you know what the Dr's are prescibing them for covid? Over the counter seasonal flu medicine. Theraflu, cough drops, and in some cases prescription antibiotics. Did you know that in some cases people are being denied a second PCR test because "they already tested positive"? Suddenly getting a second medical opinion is frowned upon. Wasn't it Alberta Canada that first announced they were going to treat Covid as seasonal flu, and telling people to quit going to the doctor unless you have severe symptoms? The same type of sh!t they tell everyone when they're sick with the flu or some other virus.

Also, also.. remember when we were told to just "let a virus run its course"? How quick people forget because the media and other idiots do nothing but lie to support political agendas and the truth matters as much as the ant I stepped on 20 minutes ago.