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Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?

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posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

You all keep adding what we humans think to it all, not what it all actually is. We make crap up and think it is for some reason physical reality. We think things are complex because we want to think that, when the reality is everything is complex whether intelligent design, or random.


Humans are organic supercomputers capable of self-awareness, logic, emotions, self-repair, replication, encephalization, and so on. So yeah we're not just carbon. Coal is mostly just carbon. Humans are wayy different.

We already think things are complex, and yet we still have barely brushed the surface of biological mechanisms.


originally posted by: TzarChasm

Respectfully, that kind of power is a pestilence regardless of who wields it and for what purpose.


It's not a pestilence if the One who possesses that power is perfect and omniscient.
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posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

One of the classic signs of pestilence is claiming to be perfect and omniscient. It is a disease of the mind, often accompanied with violent temper and impulsive behavior because there's no punishment for being wrong. That's what zero accountability gets you.

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posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

One of the classic signs of pestilence is claiming to be perfect and omniscient. It is a disease of the mind, often accompanied with violent temper and impulsive behavior because there's no punishment for being wrong. That's what zero accountability gets you.


If there is no idealism then there is no objective. If there is no objective then there's no point in wasting your time debating anything

This is why these conversations with you always become a merry-go-round
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posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: AlienView
Give one reason, any reason, for the occurrence of biological life in a universe that shows no signs of organic life in its infrastructure.

Please don't take the easy way out and say random chance occurrence - Unless you can show how a random chance occurrence can produce
an organic life form that can breathe and reproduce,

Let me make clear this is a 'I want to know' post - I have no particular agenda and am not trying to advocate a Creationist or Evolutionary viewpoint.

So please use facts and not wishfull thinking.

If you start with a physical Universe that does not have biological or organic lfe in it - What are the odds of living, breathing, breeding
biological life forms occurring


To be clear from the start: I'm an atheist. However, EVERYTHING was created by some form of intelligence. None of this is randomly occurring. To get a solid picture of this, I'd start with 3 books:

The Simulation Hypothesis and The Simulated Universe by Rizwan Virk
Return of the God Hypothesis by Stephen C. Meyer

Something is, or at least was, at the helm of creation. I do not believe that there is a god in the religious sense -- i.e. one that cares for us, punishes us, sets forth rules. Being a creator doesn't mean that he/she/it is a benevolent, loving being. BUT, the science is undeniable that none of this could exist without a creator. It's possible that "god" is the being who programmed all of this, which would then explain every paranormal phenomenon.

On a humorous side-note that has nothing to do with your question, I ordered the first 2 by amazon. They were delivered to my front door (the driver posted a picture), I later got home and the package had been stolen. Two days later, the box was returned opened and clearly "reviewed" with the 2 books on simulation theory unharmed. LOL.



posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

One of the classic signs of pestilence is claiming to be perfect and omniscient. It is a disease of the mind, often accompanied with violent temper and impulsive behavior because there's no punishment for being wrong. That's what zero accountability gets you.


If there is no idealism then there is no objective. If there is no objective then there's no point in wasting your time debating anything


Perfection and omiscience are not ideals, they are vices, typically because those are "at any cost" qualities. That's a premise worthy of debate.



posted on Nov, 8 2021 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: Visiting ESB

Stay tuned - I'm planing on starting a post on "Evolutionary Intelligent Design" - You may like it, most of the regualars on this subject will not. They can't seem to grasp a higher intelligence without saying it needs to be a god.

Also, both Albert Einstein and Max Planck [Relativity and Quantum Mechanics] were both sort of Agnostic
- They didn't believe in a god in a religious sesnse but in their philosophical writings seem to accept a sort of higher order of intelligence.



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 04:34 AM
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In that case, shouldn't we be asking who created the creators?



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: TerraLiga
In that case, shouldn't we be asking who created the creators?


God is unbegotten, meaning He never needed to be created because He always existed. This Is what Alpha-Omega means.
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posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Kreeate

Or supreme beings, I’ve often wondered about the simulation hypothesis. It could be our reality is the result of more than one entity, a whole civilisation of them perhaps. It’s scary to think creation could have simply been an alien child powering on his latest gadget.

Our mythical tales might not be as far away from the truth as we think. Certainly no human being can claim with any certainty the answer to the question regarding the existence of God. We do however have the right and obligation to ask it, the greatest of all enduring mysteries.



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: Grenade


I think trying to Understand God would be like having a floppy disk worth available memory trying to cram a super computers zigabytes of memory

We may get pack man, But GTA33 is a nono

Inconceivable



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: Visiting ESB

Stay tuned - I'm planing on starting a post on "Evolutionary Intelligent Design" - You may like it, most of the regualars on this subject will not. They can't seem to grasp a higher intelligence without saying it needs to be a god.

Also, both Albert Einstein and Max Planck [Relativity and Quantum Mechanics] were both sort of Agnostic
- They didn't believe in a god in a religious sesnse but in their philosophical writings seem to accept a sort of higher order of intelligence.



How did this higher intelligence develop? Did some other intelligence design them? If so, then where did that other intelligence come from?

Pretty soon one of these turtles will be standing up on their own (i.e., develop on their own) without being on the back of another turtle.



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TerraLiga
In that case, shouldn't we be asking who created the creators?


God is unbegotten, meaning He never needed to be created because He always existed. This Is what Alpha-Omega means.


A car has to be assembled, but tornadoes don't just accidentally pick up a scrap yard and drop a functional Lamborghini so they built a robot that assembles cars. But the robot couldn't build itself same way a car can't, so they needed an engineer to design it. But humans don't just mutate from primate predecessors, so they have to be created. So God couldn't just spawn or "perpetually exist" for the same reason as cars and assembly robots and humans. He either follows the rule of intelligent creation or he is proof that intelligent creation isn't the rule.



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TerraLiga
In that case, shouldn't we be asking who created the creators?


God is unbegotten, meaning He never needed to be created because He always existed. This Is what Alpha-Omega means.

Why do you not question that logic as much as you do anything natural? Or, to put it another way, why is the supernatural unquestionable fact in your eyes?



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

A car has to be assembled, but tornadoes don't just accidentally pick up a scrap yard and drop a functional Lamborghini so they built a robot that assembles cars. But the robot couldn't build itself same way a car can't, so they needed an engineer to design it. But humans don't just mutate from primate predecessors, so they have to be created. So God couldn't just spawn or "perpetually exist" for the same reason as cars and assembly robots and humans. He either follows the rule of intelligent creation or he is proof that intelligent creation isn't the rule.


originally posted by: TerraLiga

Why do you not question that logic as much as you do anything natural? Or, to put it another way, why is the supernatural unquestionable fact in your eyes?


The source creator being unbegotten, meaning He was never created, surpasses the something-from-nothing paradox as well. Since something cannot come from nothing, then something must have always existed. These Divine beings are above temporal limitations. It's also the best explanation I can think of that would explain the source of intelligent constructs. Plato came to the same conclusion and has a very convincing dialogue on the matter if you're interested.



posted on Nov, 9 2021 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: wdkirk
Organic life is a virus in an otherwise sterile environment.


Going to the heart of the question, yep. How dey do dat lol

Molten hot spinning ball becoming home to organic life.

All the building blocks would have had to be present, or at least in a form that could be compounded into a usable form. Slow step by slow step.

A planet devoid of "Soil". Where do you get soil? Where do you get seed? step by step.

But first, you need the information packets delivered to the barren planet. Information packets known as DNA. How does it get here? The short answer, inspiration.

Planets, are the fruit of the galaxy, and life, the nekter.

You can basically rule out physical craft making the journey here, though, short trips might be possible, but when the distances are measured in hundreds or even thousands of light years away from the source, impractical. Though, just on the other side of this physical reality is that spiritual domain, we know virtually nothing of. To our human mind it is incomprehensible but at the same time, would be the logical answer, as to where those "Packets" came from. And, it would only take a "Touch" "Inspiration, to get the ball rolling. A touch, from the source.....

You crazy WLo's lol



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