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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Okay, Show me one civilization/society that enslaved another that had a slave/master honeymoon period, like your tragic couple had before "he" cheated on "her".
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Let me get this straight, when people try to remove statues honoring traitors and slave owners we're told we need to keep them around so we don't forget history but when actual history classes try to teach that horrible history we're told that those history classes need to sugar coat and white wash history.
So what is it? Are you trying to preserve history? Or do actually just want to celebrate traitors and slave owners?
originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Okay, Show me one civilization/society that enslaved another that had a slave/master honeymoon period, like your tragic couple had before "he" cheated on "her".
Sookie your still trying to focus on individual societies , Not all black people on Earth were enslaved by colonial White Americans ? That was just a very small subset of African Americans who if you remember were sold into slavery by other Black people .
Not all Black people were slaves and not all Slaves were Black , Do you see what I'm saying ?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Okay, Show me one civilization/society that enslaved another that had a slave/master honeymoon period, like your tragic couple had before "he" cheated on "her".
Sookie your still trying to focus on individual societies , Not all black people on Earth were enslaved by colonial White Americans ? That was just a very small subset of African Americans who if you remember were sold into slavery by other Black people .
Not all Black people were slaves and not all Slaves were Black , Do you see what I'm saying ?
Nope. I'm focused on the faulty comparison in your OP of CRT and slavery being like a couple struggling with infidelity.
At one time, your hypothetical couple experienced a "honeymoon period" in their relationship, in which their love blossomed and their relationship dynamics were born. When "he" cheated on "her", trust was broken. They now are seeking a way to get their loving relationship back through contrition and forgiveness, in your scenario.
This scenario doesn't apply to slavery PERIOD, because the slave and master relationship was never a love affair in the first place. There was never trust or any expectation of fidelity on the part of the master. There is no "honeymoon period" on which to refer or get back to.
It doesn't matter that slavery is an age old practice. It doesn't matter what color skin either party wears. Slavery was never a love affair that went off the rails. It was always a betrayal of humanity.
originally posted by: scrounger
im sorry but teaching history (warts and all) is NOT THE SAME as "critical race theory"
that is (in a nutshell) "White people" are responsible for everything bad that happened "black people" and ONLY THEM.
along with "white people are still oppressors and have privilege over black people"
i see you dont get the lesson that every four year old learns/gets from seseme street
"one of these things is not like the other"
or more simply.....
you cant seem to tell the difference (deliberately maybe) between a turd and a bowling ball
scrounger
originally posted by: scrounger
I remember seeing this on a bathroom wall in the Admin building at the college i went to back in the late 1980s
"RACISM IS NOT A WHITE DISEASE"
Now you may have issues where i got this statement but its TRUTH cannot be denied.
"RACISM" is a disease that has EFFECTED PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS, RACES , NATIONALITIES, TRIBES, AND AT ALL TIMES.
there is no (ex) more "whites enslaving blacks" and no "whites have enslaved blacks for longer than any other time"
there is no "blacks cannot be racist" in america.
the very first step in dealing with racism is to admit this.
the second is that you can NEVER EVER TOTALLY END RACISM...
as long as people are different (and sure as hell NEVER WANT TO CHANGE THAT) racism will ALWAYS EXIST to some level.
the idea is to make it (for lack of a better example) like weeds.
deal with it when you find it, and limited it to an anomaly not the norm.
now how do you do this?
MLK stated how CLEARLY AND SIMPLY
"judge a man(woman) not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character"
if they act like a racist, thug, evil, good , kind, ect.
you treat them that way and THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS IRRELIVANT
along with "well in history XX happened" is IRRELIVANT
For example (and seen on many a MEME)
I have never been a slave owner and you have never picked cotton/been a slave"
I owe you NOTHING
i know this sounds so simple and YET IT IS.
critical race theory is nothing more than teaching RACISM.
scrounger
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Okay, Show me one civilization/society that enslaved another that had a slave/master honeymoon period, like your tragic couple had before "he" cheated on "her".
Sookie your still trying to focus on individual societies , Not all black people on Earth were enslaved by colonial White Americans ? That was just a very small subset of African Americans who if you remember were sold into slavery by other Black people .
Not all Black people were slaves and not all Slaves were Black , Do you see what I'm saying ?
Nope. I'm focused on the faulty comparison in your OP of CRT and slavery being like a couple struggling with infidelity.
At one time, your hypothetical couple experienced a "honeymoon period" in their relationship, in which their love blossomed and their relationship dynamics were born. When "he" cheated on "her", trust was broken. They now are seeking a way to get their loving relationship back through contrition and forgiveness, in your scenario.
This scenario doesn't apply to slavery PERIOD, because the slave and master relationship was never a love affair in the first place. There was never trust or any expectation of fidelity on the part of the master. There is no "honeymoon period" on which to refer or get back to.
It doesn't matter that slavery is an age old practice. It doesn't matter what color skin either party wears. Slavery was never a love affair that went off the rails. It was always a betrayal of humanity.
There is no "honeymoon period" on which to refer or get back to.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Option # 1
Never allow the Boyfriend to live it down, constantly remind him of what he did and ensure that he is feeling guilty on a daily basis , also in turn the boyfriend needs to bring up the infidelity on a daily basis and ask for her forgiveness . He must always concede in arguments and give her the high ground because he cheated on her . He must never let her forget or get over what he did , because of course if he did he may do it again .
Option # 2
The Boyfriend apologizes to the girlfriend and asks for her forgiveness demonstrating in some way that he has learned from his mistakes , if she accepts his apology. Then the counselor instructs the couple to move on from the incident and avoid bringing it up as that will only open old wounds and never allow the couple to fully move on . The couple must build a new foundation of trust and understanding and learn to love each other all over again .
So which couple will survive ? Couple 1 or Couple 2
Not sure how any of this has anything to do with critical race theory, though. A relationship usually has a "honeymoon period". When was the honeymoon for slaves and their owners?
source
Slavery in the 21st century continues and generates $150 billion in annual profits; modern transportation has made human trafficking easier.[10] Regions with armed conflict have vulnerable populations.[11] In 2019 there were an estimated 40 million people worldwide subject to some form of slavery, 25% of them children.[10] 61%[nb 1] are used for forced labor, mostly in the private sector. 38%[nb 2] live in forced marriages.[10] Other types of modern slavery are child soldiers, sex trafficking, and sexual slavery.
so are you saying there was never a time where people just got along?
If you really think that none of the slaves of today never initially grew up in a safe environment until civil war change the politics you're missing some education.
originally posted by: generik
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Actually a much closer comparison between marriage and CRT would be a marriage counselor saying something like this.
to the husband. "your grandfather cheated on your grandmother. therefore you must apologize every day for his cheating, to your wife for what he did"
to the wife "Never allow your husband to live it down, constantly remind him of what his grandfather did and ensure that he is feeling guilty on a daily basis, also in turn your husband needs to bring up the infidelity of his grandfather on a daily basis and ask for your forgiveness. He must always concede in arguments and give you the high ground because his grandfather cheated on his wife. He must never let you forget or get over what his grandfather did, because of course if he did he may do so to you"