NASA wants to control the conversation around the search for ET

I understand a lot of the skepticism of a lot of the statements here, but on the other hand, isn’t it a good turn of events when a government agency turns to accept the challenge of Ufology on whatever level they chose to deal with it.

We’ve all been complaining over the years: where’s the government, where’s the government, and now when they come nobody believes them.

Seems like an Alfred Hitchcock episode, or as things may turn out, maybe a Twilight zone episode instead.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: JimOberg
Planetary exploration has been strongly trending towards the view that biology may be active in multiple ecospheres even within our own Solar System.

Here’s a book foreword I wrote addressing the theme a few years ago
www.jamesoberg.com...

I read it well, as microbial life being the best prospect of all, to acknowledge life outside planet earth, exists elsewhere. I’ll agree to that……but Jimmy….come on, your still not ready to throw in the towel and say that besides microbial life, there is a deep suspicion that walking breathing bipedal life exists as well? Your a hard nut to crack 😆

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I wasn't able to read Jim Obergs forward on my phone for some reason. But this is my personal belief:
Ultimately, the laws of nature obviously favor simplicity. Rudimentary microbes or bacteria may need billions of years to develop into more complex life. After billions of years, complex life evolved and seemed to carry that same version of this simplicity. The end result was survival for all successful life to exist on Earth and that's all that was needed. Human intelligence evolved on a slightly different branch as a result of unique and random circumstances unrelated to anything previous.

Look at Earth's 4.5 billion year history and possibly billions of species and you see the rarity of high intelligence. If high intelligence was part of natures plan, it would have happened multiple times. It never did and was a fluke in natures overall development of life. I think that rarity carries over to planets in our galaxy and universe and it would follow the same basic path. It's not inevitable, it's only rarely possible. But it is possible.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: JimOberg
Planetary exploration has been strongly trending towards the view that biology may be active in multiple ecospheres even within our own Solar System.

Here’s a book foreword I wrote addressing the theme a few years ago
www.jamesoberg.com...

I read it well, as microbial life being the best prospect of all, to acknowledge life outside planet earth, exists elsewhere. I’ll agree to that……but Jimmy….come on, your still not ready to throw in the towel and say that besides microbial life, there is a deep suspicion that walking breathing bipedal life exists as well? Your a hard nut to crack 😆

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I wasn't able to read Jim Obergs forward on my phone for some reason. But this is my personal belief:
Ultimately, the laws of nature obviously favor simplicity. Rudimentary microbes or bacteria may need billions of years to develop into more complex life. After billions of years, complex life evolved and seemed to carry that same version of this simplicity. The end result was survival for all successful life to exist on Earth and that's all that was needed. Human intelligence evolved on a slightly different branch as a result of unique and random circumstances unrelated to anything previous.

Look at Earth's 4.5 billion year history and possibly billions of species and you see the rarity of high intelligence. If high intelligence was part of natures plan, it would have happened multiple times. It never did and was a fluke in natures overall development of life. I think that rarity carries over to planets in our galaxy and universe and it would follow the same basic path. It's not inevitable, it's only rarely possible. But it is possible.

Unless, there's some ultra-terrestrial species hiding in our oceans ? More advanced and far older than humans? Seems plausible at least. Could be the inhabitants of many ufos we see.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

the first problem with yours (and obergs) argument is your assuming that our definition of "life" is the only one that can exist.
hell on our own planet we are finding life (like at the bottom of the ocean by a vent) that "science experts" claim cannot exist.
we have viruses that exist, multiply and defy the "experts" criteria for life.
they are STILL DEBATING if its alive

now we expect that all life and especially advanced civilizations have to be made up of creatures like us , use oxygen, process food like we do (and even eat the same things), need water and a set climate range.

how arrogant....

i could point out that its mathematically IMPOSSIBLE with all the worlds just in our own galaxy that we are the most advance civilization and the only one at that.

I think i can sum up the absolute impossibility of your claim and those science "experts" make with one statement

your taking a teaspoon of the ocean and claim since there are no sharks in it that there are no sharks in the ocean.

scrounger

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Not A Space Agency can 'bleeeeeeeeeep itself. And every cent it stole from the American People.

For more info see...
fakingspace

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

We need less government control of the narrative about everything at this point.

The government and their cadres of ideologue-'experts' have only screwed the pooch spectacularly in the last two years. To be sure, they weren't alone. The new political model of politician-as-indecisive-coward who allows the so-called experts to make decisions of national import is a model that has been followed by practically every Western government.

As a consequence, economies all over are in shambles. And we're only seeing the beginning of how bad the consequences will be.

The last thing we need right now is more government 'experts' exerting control over narratives. To Hell with that.

Cheers

I wonder if this is related:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess NASA is positioning themselves to be the civilian side of things. To collect (and silence?) the narrative.

originally posted by: FocusedWolf
I wonder if this is related:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess NASA is positioning themselves to be the civilian side of things. To collect (and silence?) the narrative.

More Blue Book BS on the way?

Cheers

originally posted by: Nickn3
I ask you, who controls NASA? Today it’s Camel-ass Harris. If you want a straight answer then don’t put a politician in charge.

It’s too late for now…..In reference to a Politician…….I might add that Bill Nelson, NASA’s current Top Dog, is and always has been a Politician…

……” Clarence William Nelson II (born September 29, 1942) is an American politician and attorney serving as the administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Nelson previously served as a United States Senator from Florida from 2001 to 2019. A member of the Democratic Party, he previously served in the Florida House of Representatives from 1972 to 1978 and in the United States House of Representatives from 1979 to 1991”….

He infiltrated and seeded himself into NASA when…….” In January 1986, he became the second sitting member of Congress to fly in space, after Jake Garn, when he served as a payload specialist on the Space Shuttle Columbia”….

Groomed to take over NASA with Political undertones and influences…..not to any benefit of the UFOs / Aliens community. As long as Bite Me Biden is president, so will Nelson remain at his NASA post. Currently 3+ years left to go, since sleepy Uncle Joe will only be a one term president.

Sidebar: A realistic observation…… Old aged Politician’s don’t always make the best of Politicians. There is an old age bracket roughly mid 60’s to mid 70’s where old age mental cognition is considered the years of “wise” old, based on life’s experiences and wisdom achieved from those experiences……..then the late 70’s onward, is susceptible to the ages of Senility, Dementia, and Alzheimer’s where mental cognition begins to distort and the decision making process begins to falter. You don’t want a countries old leader to be a possible risk to the country. Younger than mid 60’s people, with experience, for countries leaders should be preferred …..IMO

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while I admire many things about NASA, I don't trust them. I think they know way more about potential ET life then they admit too, plus they have a history of denial and covering up images that happen to include ufo's. Why don't we go to the Cydonia region of Mars to explore NASA, it seems just about everywhere else on Mars but this interesting region.

a reply to: data5091

Why don't we go to the Cydonia region of Mars to explore?

You don't go because you need to maximize the success of your mission. If the mission is finding bacteria, then Jezero Crater and some other Noachian sites are by far more interesting than Cydonia plains. The idea is looking for life or traces of life there where you know, as per your knowledge of Earth's geochemistry, that you could find it.

Jezero crater was selected, among other criteria, because it is a fluvial sedimentary landscape, which is where you would expect to find what you are looking for. Selecting a landing site is a complex process where many parameters must be balanced. Using those criteria, Cydonia is simply an uninteresting place.

not to me it isn't....too many interesting features there including Mars face which clearly NASA doesn't want to talk about. I think the odds are good there WAS very possibly intelligent life on Mars.

originally posted by: data5091

I think the odds are good there WAS very possibly intelligent life on Mars.

I’m pretty sure Cydonia is home to My Favorite Martian…..



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a reply to: scrounger

So , one that just wants the crap to continue , huh ?
Fits your agenda.
In the other sciences , Sigma rating works really well .
The finding of the "Higgs-Boson" only reached 5-Sigma as it was not in the correct mass range.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

They need to stop turning off the space station cameras when the Mother ship goes by

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: scrounger

So , one that just wants the crap to continue , huh ?
Fits your agenda.
In the other sciences , Sigma rating works really well .
The finding of the "Higgs-Boson" only reached 5-Sigma as it was not in the correct mass range.

big sigh

first your comment is a rambling rant with a healthy dose of silly deflection for flavor.
along with a dash of hyperbole that makes me ask what "agenda" did i SPECIFICALLY state i wanted in my post...

now if your trying (and badly i might add) what i "want" its this

ALL SIDES BE HELD TO THE SAME INDEPENDENT STANDARDS.

not "well we guess the wow signal is this/that MAYBE" so its case closed CANNOT BE ALIEN .
but if you want to prove its an alien signal or fossilized organism on a meteor from mars .
A. a level of accuracy/standards HIGHER than any other to point of unrealistic
AND
B. must convince the "experts/leaders" of XX discipline OPINION.

as i showed with EXACT EXAMPLES (two to be specific) the
"experts" claimed it was not possible and crucified the scientists who presented it.. only to be SOUNDLY PROVEN WRONG..
something that didnt need to be done since the scientist FOLLOWD THE STANDARDS SET by those very experts.

btw UNLESS its totally off the rails (as it were) just because you have something SIMILAR unless you can PROVE it was XX and not alien (as in wow signal) then it is a POSSIBLITLY.

scrounger

a reply to: Direne

" It apparently happened to some astronauts and cosmonauts."

What do you consider to be reliable evidence for this?

a reply to: scrounger

"the first problem with yours (and obergs) argument is your assuming that our definition of "life" is the only one that can exist."

You can't possibly have read my essay and then rationally reached that interpretation.

a reply to: JimOberg

ive seen/read enough of your work that uses mental and linguistic gymnastics that would make a russian female olympic team member jealous.

along with stretching a point that would break any stretch armstrong toy..

the continued "because i have not seen evidence (i agree with)" mentality by "experts" in the face its (at minimum) MATHMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE we are the only live/intelligent life/advance civilization/capable of FTL travel/been here before/ect is what is the problem

the arrogance in that view along with the double standards used by such "experts" alone causes their credibility to be ZERO.

again (with some exceptions) you cant claim on one hand (using the wow signal for one) it cant be alien in nature because you have no hard proof but then claim because its "similar (but not exact nor proven it happened at that time) to XX then it MUST BE THAT and "proof" it isnt alien

well either you can prove its XX or alien.. if you cant then BOTH are possible.

scrounger

originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: Direne

" It apparently happened to some astronauts and cosmonauts."

What do you consider to be reliable evidence for this?

SEROUSLY

astronauts and cosmonauts are scientists, MILITARY , pilots and in essence HIGHLY TRAINED to observe, identify and/or describe what they saw.

you dont get anymore "expert" than this.

as i stated before about "mental gymnastics" here we have an example.

scrounger