Americans Thrown Out Of Hospitals Into The Streets Like Trash

a reply to: ANNED

They kept you because they were guaranteed payment through the VA.

I was sent to a non VA hospital, several years ago for surgery, because the VA did not have an oncologist with the required specialty.

They kept me four days longer than I would have ever stayed, if I had not been sent by the VA.

I asked them why they were keeping me so long. They told me they had to make sure I was completely healed, because if anything happened, it would look like they screwed up, and the VA would not send them anymore patients.

Even back then, it was all about the money.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

When I was a child, no hospital expected to receive a profit from providing care to those that needed it. Doctors and nurses worked for what people could afford to pay, and for goods and services.

At the end of each quarter, the hospitals sent their loses to the federal government and they were reimbursed for the services provided. Dollar for dollar. No elevated pricing. They broke even.

Sounds like a very equitable system.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Many hospitals recognize EMTALA, many don't. All hospitals do not accept Medicare, and many more hospitals and doctors are dropping Medicare. Like so many other government projects, what started out as a good program, has morphed into a corrupt, evil nightmare. CMS has become the aniti-christ, that demands allegiance and your soul. So many healthcare providers are running away from it.

EMTALA only deals with emergency care, and then, it is only to stabilize the patient long enough to dump them off at an accepting hospital. All they are required to do is stabilize.

To add insult to injury, there is no actual funding for this mandate, so it really doesn't have much teeth.

The best you can hope for, is that you fall into the category of outlier. There you stand a chance, because you basically fall under the care of the State, and the longer the hospital keeps you, the more money they can get back from the State, and hopefully at least balance out.

Anyway you look at it, healthcare has become nothing more than a lucrative, heartless, vicious, business. Even the doctors that are dedicated to doing what is best for their patients, are being stifled and having their wings clipped at every turn.

Labs will not run test on people that have no money, or no insurance. So the doctor has no way to identify the cause of the patient's problem, and they cannot provide appropriate care. They cannot send a patient to a hospital for treatment if the hospital will not admit them.

Suing a hospital for non treatment is futile, when the cost of the fine for not treating the patient is significantly less than the cost of treating them.

It is an awful thing to accept, but we have been turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to this beast for over seven decades. I understand that people, maybe, do not care if they have not been affected by the dirty shenanigans, the systems have been playing with so many peoples lives.

I just don't understand why people can believe or trust that a corrupt system is interested in your well being, when they will throw you out onto the street like trash, if they can't make a profit off of you.

It is about the money. No profit, then out you go, and their lawyers will gleefully pay the fine for littering. So yeah. Tell me again that vaccines are being mandated and given to you for free, because they care and love the people so much.

originally posted by: teapot

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

When I was a child, no hospital expected to receive a profit from providing care to those that needed it. Doctors and nurses worked for what people could afford to pay, and for goods and services.

At the end of each quarter, the hospitals sent their loses to the federal government and they were reimbursed for the services provided. Dollar for dollar. No elevated pricing. They broke even.

Sounds like a very equitable system.

The cost of healthcare was significantly lower back then. No insurance companies to milk. So everybody and his mama was not out panning for gold, looking to get rich, from the ever growing, overreaching ponzi scheme.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What are all your tax dollars being spent on? Very good question
and I think one of the answers is...paying back political donors!

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Well get ready to get worst, we need room for the 1.5 million illegals that will be filling out the hospital and urgent care clinics very soon.

The homeless and destitute will be piling up under the by pass.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Well get ready to get worst, we need room for the 1.5 million illegals that will be filling out the hospital and urgent care clinics very soon.

The homeless and destitute will be piling up under the by pass.

According to the WSJ. There will be plenty of room for us evil, ugly Americans along the under passes, and along the streets, because the illegals will be well taken care of.

http s://www.acep.org/life-as-a-physician/ethics--legal/emtala/emtala-fact-sheet/

Maybe Americans will be given a job as pets for them and the one percenters. China shows the way.

The Doctors and nurses need to get paid substantially for a significant skill set. That being said, Hospital profit should never be in the mix.

Maybe what it should be is the gov builds hospitals and pay Doctors to man them and get paid properly. Most everything needed should be free such as X rays or whatever needed that an instrument provides and it could be the only "social program" we allow.The people should pay a copay to defray the expenses.

We should all have "catastrophic health Care" policies primarily handling the big things with insurance. Not many people at a time experience a catastrophic health event and insurance wouldn't have to bankrupt the individual to purchase like Cobra. Then the gov could provide for free things like cold meds. For stiches or minor cuts it should be on the individual person to pay. Heart attack and Lung disease, catastrophic health care insurance would cover that. Maybe then the Gov will try harder to prevent stupid decisions that hurt people? But that is a bigger pipe dream than free gov health care for non catastrophic health events.

originally posted by: rickymouse
What has been created in medicine is not medicine, it is big business. We need to get rid of our present type of medical industry here and go to socialized medicine where the people working in it get a decent wage not dependent on overcharging people and insurance companies that people actually pay the bill for one way or another. Remember, if your employer is paying for your insurance, he is not paying you as much and insurance is really expensive, you would be better off paying for socialized medicine because your wages would go way up. Twelve grand a year is nothing for an insurance premium, most are higher than that for a decent policy.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Aristotle should have advised us to only trade with people of character and integrity, people that are trustworthy.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The harsh reality is that no matter how you look at it, it takes money whether we are talking profit or not, and there will always be more need than ability to pay.

There are horror stories in the systems that claim not to have profit motives too.

No one cares about you except the people who truly care about you and that's the harsh reality of life. The government does not care and rules do not equal compassion or quality either one.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

No one cares about you except the people who truly care about you and that's the harsh reality of life. The government does not care and rules do not equal compassion or quality either one.

The simple fact that too many are allowing themselves to be deceived about.

The government does not care. No matter how many times they tell that lie, it is still an out and out lie. Depending on the government to save us, is pure folly. We would be so much further ahead in the game, if we just accepted that one, simple, truth.

originally posted by: TrollMagnet
I was in a motorcycle accident in 2006. I tore the ligament in my right hip pretty bad, and had some good road rash I cleaned myself. I had a giant purple black bubble hip joint that is still all kinds of damaged internally and acts up regularly. I didn't go to the hospital immediately because I had no insurance and no motorcycle license.

The next day my girlfriend made me go because when I woke up I was in shock from multiple injuries. I still do not know what injuries I had, because they would not even run imaging and diagnostics on me when I told them I had no insurance. They speculated dismissively about what was wrong with me and rushed me out with a script for pain meds.

Injury took about a year to heal before I could walk right. I have broken many many bones and am not a complainer. I screwed something up bad that will be coming back to haunt e for sure. Doctors didn't care at all.

I was disappointed in the way things work. That was the first time I really actually went for help that I needed and was laughed out. Funny thing is, I am not for universal health care. I am just saying that I should have been able to get some level of help. Diagnostics should be free since they are trying to sell the cure anyway. All they did was make sure I was not going to be able to sue them before they kicked me out.

That sucks man , you should of been an illegal alien and you’d of gotten medical care

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Yep that is one of the main issues with the biden administration they want to expand medicaid, to cover for the illegals use to be to help poor families mostly African Americans, but now the Democrats no longer needs them as a political tool for elections, now is the new and improved new voters from south of the border.

Things in America are going to get worst very bad for hard working Americans, watch next time anybody goes to their local hospitals and keep and eye who is getting care.

a reply to: marg6043

It is pure theft.

When the Boomers were paying all that money into Social Security, the temptation was too great. All that money just sitting there. They thought it was a waste not to use it.

So they started siphoning off money from Social Security, for this pet project, and then that pet project. None of the geniuses thought about what was going to happen with the cost of healthcare continuously on the rise every year, nor did the think about what was going to happen when the flood gates opened and the masses started coming of age, and started receiving their investment.

Maybe enough of us didn't die off, as fast as they hoped. Something else they left out the equation. We came from strong stock, and aren't as easy to kill off as they planned. Seems like they had to pull out a secret weapon. But even with that, they screwed up, just like every time they put their hands on something.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Hey do not forget that the man made "pandemic" was designed to take care of the pesky long lived and active seniors, but still they endured.

Sometimes we most wonder who the real monster behind government really are, they all disserve to be lined up and let the public take their pick at revenge.

This globalist hiding in the shadows will die out just like everybody else and none of the money they have made out of the suffering of humanity will go with them and once dead is worth crap for them.

If is truly a hell out there, I would love to see them roasting in agony.

originally posted by: UnRepentantHarlequin
Nurses, doctors, all medical professionals may have gone into the profession to save lives, for the love of medicine, education and skill set to help mankind.

With regard to Doctors, this is actually a provably false assumption.

Nurses, physical therapists, etc, sure...

But no... the vast majority of Doctors went into it for the money.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Should health care be considered a human right?

It is. I take great care of my health.

But in all seriousness - no, there is no basic human Right to force someone else to do anything for you.

Does the USA need some kind of universal health care system?

No, what we need is a system that truly wants to help people, and promotes simple, safe and effective treatments that actually address the underlying problems, as opposed to treating symptoms with expensive prescription drugs that do far more harm than good in the long run.

a reply to: marg6043

I just saw a press conference with the MEPs. All of it was interesting to hear. But Christina Anderson from Germany, hit the nail on the head, in my opinion. She states clearly that the government is not and has never been interested in the well being of the people.

She starts speaking around the 3:20 mark

My wife is a nurse at our local hospital. We have a fairly large( for our city's population) contingent of homeless people. She has told me horror stories about how they are treated if they don't have Medicare, which the state will provide for them if they sign up. They come in with everything from Covid, to overdoses, public intoxication, infections, typical homeless ailments and are rushed through the revolving door with no follow up. Because it doesn't turn a profit. We have gone so far wrong as a society that there may be no saving us. Maybe it's for the best we expire as a species.

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

I completely agree.

this is where it gets complicated for mid-sized cities if you're interested. A long read, it may give you some insight from somebody who's seen the situation from the inside.

We are in a mid-sized town. We had two hospitals one named memorial which was funded BioTrust, and was nonprofit. We had another one that was called saint Elizabeth's. It was founded by the church and also a non-profit. When I was young it was not uncommon to see nuns walking the halls.

They went near bankrupt after the new jail was built, and were bought out by corporations. those corporations quickly realized two hospitals were not profitable in the same town so they closed one.

Here is where it went sideways.
We built big county jail that we did not need. But the mid-sized City, wanted thee taxes and the payroll of the jailer's and the property. the bureaucracy that loaned the county the money to build the jail had a ulterior motive.

The cells that were not occupied by the county inmates they rent out to the counties that Incorporated our capital city.

So here's the deal. the big city is required to offer transport to return the inmates back to their home City, but that transport only leaves two days a week

Big city inmate released to small town street, with nowhere to go for 2 days until the transport arrives.

They get them a bus pass and show them to our social services office. They're given a monthly stipend for food, and a meager amount of cash. The small town is easy pickings.

The influx of homeless criminals and headaches overwhelmed our city. At one point we had a complete City block parking lot filled with tents and porta potties to house them..

Now our city bureaucracy gets grants from both the state and the federal government because we have so many homeless. the local police and the sheriff also get grants because the crime is so high for such a small population. The city and the county make a ton of money, but live out in the country and don't really care about crime and homeless in town.

Those same people also have no health insurance, and you can imagine the type of injuries and health problems that have gone unmanaged fir years that some of these people have.

There is no way, (unless you have great insurance)you are getting decent treatment at our local hospitals. Just about dark every night the emergency department fills up with homeless looking for a place to stay, or the fix to get them through another day.

Our hospital is so overwhelmed, it's not uncommon to see stretchers lining the hall with people screaming, or people with gunshot, knife or accident wounds sitting in chairs waiting for treatment.

The story is not unique. Small towns and small counties all throughout the country have been sold out. The cities and the countie bureaucracy rake in tons of dollars, while the huge capital cities get to dump their problem 200 miles and mountain range away.

. It's mutually beneficial for all except the citizens on both sides of the coin. the citizens of the big cities don't get any services to help the homeless and the addicted. The small cities citizens are overwhelmed with a crime and homelessness.

This is one way they destroy the American way of life.