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China Upset Over US Military Presence In Taiwan


Tensions are heating up in Beijing. With the US military providing assistance to Taiwan specifically against any Chinese incursion , how does China accept this turn of events without losing face?

Will the prom queen have a Carrie moment?

Where is the line of contention where China will have to put up or shut up?

Some things that don't gel at the moment:

1)The US military in Taiwan assisting against possible Chinese threat

2) The Bidens and Genl Milleys love affair with China


Where is this going?

a reply to: 19Bones79
Haven't the masters of the wohan flu been upset since at least 1979?

It is not going anywhere.
Didn't you read about the chinese invisible fleet ?
It is actually visible.

a reply to: 19Bones79

It's plan B being implemented right when it can be seen the virus
(plan A) will not quite achieve what the CCP intended. Or this is will
be the second prong of a two prong attack. To bring the world to
submission or W/E.

a reply to: 19Bones79

In fact, Taiwan is part of China. And the United States officially admits it. I wonder how the Americans would react if China sent troops to Georgia under the pretext of oppressing the rights of jerboas there?

a reply to: 19Bones79

I'd very much prefer they fight over there and not on my doorstepps. If they feel like they have to...brawl.

a reply to: Peeple

Perhaps the West will retaliate through other means, such as turning to India for cheap labor.

I don't see a conventional war happening anytime soon.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Tensions can heat up all they wish.

China can take the island, but cant hold it once we send a significant carrier force in its direction.

China is quite capable of taking down carriers with swarm attack hypersonic missiles strikes.

If that happens, there goes 100s of billions of dollars worth of man and equipment, and America will respond in kind with a tactical nuclear strike, china will do the same, and then World War 3 takes place soon afterwards.

So as to where this is all going, my guess is its simply more sabre rattling, because a third world war is a no win situation for us all.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Taiwan has never been a part of China.

Besides.

It’s split between China the mainland being communist and Taiwan being open free democracy.

NOTHING IN COMMON.

Its like Australia and Tasmanians.

Australians have one head. Tasmanians have two. Nothing in common…

a reply to: DaRAGE

Did The Republic of China's government not receive Taiwan in 1945 from Japan after WW-2?

There are only 15 nations/states that recognise Taiwan as the ROC which is part and parcel of the problem.

Those being Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Swaziland and Tuvalu.

a reply to: andy06shake

It honestly doesn’t matter. There has been a rebellion.

It would be like today the English trying to claim America…

Or the Spanish or Egyptians trying to claim Australia.

It appears the Spaniards arrived in Australian before the English and the Egyptians arrived before the Spanish. The Egyptians even built a pyramid in qld before it was dismantled and used to build homes in a town. Look it up.

a reply to: DaRAGE

As long as people choose to squabble over imaginary lines on maps DaRAGE they are apt to point pointy things at one another.

This day of age don't change that fact much.

What matters is avoiding outright conflict.

The next century or rather this century is already pretty much China's.

They would be pretty stupid to end up glowing in the dark for the next 10,000 years over Taiwan no matter what they claim for political kudo points in the open.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I keep thinking of the parallels between Taiwan and Crimea. The latter was obviously annexed and "liberated", but I dont think the US would allow this to occur to Taiwan due to its strategic importance.

Taiwan is not only another critical manufacturing hub for North America, but it is a buffer zone to keep China at bay.

originally posted by: DaRAGE
a reply to: RussianTroll

Taiwan has never been a part of China.

Besides.

It’s split between China the mainland being communist and Taiwan being open free democracy.

NOTHING IN COMMON.

Its like Australia and Tasmanians.

Australians have one head. Tasmanians have two. Nothing in common…

It seems to me that you live in some kind of alternative reality and history. It is just as easy to claim that the United States does not own most of the states.
Are you really saying that Taiwan has never been a part of China and there are no Chinese people living there?))))
Study first the official documents of the US State Department and the UN. Лол.

To get started, study this Act:

Taiwan Relations Act (Public Law 96-8, 22 U.S.C. 3301 et seq.)

He declares a "one China" policy

Then you can explore:

UN General Assembly Resolution 2758

a reply to: RussianTroll

Why do I care as an Australian what the US says in it’s whatever?

Hey Wasn’t tons of Nowadays Russia overrun by the Mongols?

Perhaps the Mongols have claim to Russia now…

Who cares what those useless a holes at the UN think? Saudi Arabia leader in Women’s rights. Yeaaaaah.

Is Taiwan a part of China today? No. Do the Taiwanese pay taxes to China? No.

They are seperate. Seperatists. Like England and the current U.S.

Like the Ukraine from the U.S.S.R.

Most people in Taiwan see themselves as Seperate from china and that has been increasing.

wikipedia taiwanese seperatism

[align=center]Taiwanese national identity is often posed as either an exclusive Taiwanese identity separate from Chinese national identity, or a Taiwanese identity within a pan-Chinese national identity. Since democratization, there has been an increase in those identifying exclusively as Taiwanese, with those identifying as Taiwanese and Chinese nationals have fallen and those exclusively identifying as Chinese nationals have almost vanished. National Chengchi University has conducted annual polls on national identity since 1991. In 1991, 17.6% of respondents identified as Taiwanese (臺灣人) only, 25.5% as Chinese (中國人) only, 46.4% as both, and 10.5% declining to state. In 2000, the numbers were 36.9% Taiwanese, 12.5% Chinese, 44.1% both and 6.5% declining. In 2008, 48.4% identified as Taiwanese, 4.0% as Chinese, 43.1% as both, and 4.5% declining. By 2016, 58.2% identified as Taiwanese, 3.4% as Chinese, 34.3% as both, and 4.1% declining. In 2020, 64.3% identified as Taiwanese, 2.6% as Chinese, 29.9% as both, and 3.2% declining.[28] Likewise, in a 2002 poll by the Democratic Progressive Party, over 50% of the respondents considered themselves "Taiwanese" only, up from less than 20% in 1991 (Dreyer 2003). Polls conducted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) in 2001 found that 70% of Taiwanese would support a name change of the country to Taiwan if the island could no longer be referred to as the Republic of China.[29] The discrepancy in identity becomes larger when polls only give the two options of "Taiwanese" versus "Chinese". In June 2008, a TVBS poll found that 68% of the respondents identify themselves as "Taiwanese" while 18% would call themselves "Chinese".[30] In 2015, a poll conducted by the Taiwan Braintrust showed that about 90 percent of the population would identify themselves as Taiwanese rather than Chinese.[31][/align]



Also I want to apologise to you RussianTroll as I am currently drunk and perhaps not thinking as clearly as usual. Though I don’t think that my points are invalid atm.

a reply to: DaRAGE

If you have such an opinion, then you should be prepared for the fact that other states and nations will come to you in Australia, and under the pretext of oppression and almost complete destruction of the indigenous peoples of Australia, they will dismember your country, introduce troops there under the pretext of oppressing kangaroos and rabbits. ... As the saying goes, if you reject international law and support action from a position of strength, then be prepared for that same strength to come to you.

a reply to: 19Bones79

It's all scripted.

China is not upset with the US, the US is pretending to assist Taiwan.

The US will allow China to invade Taiwan.

a reply to: 19Bones79

With the winter olympics coming up i'm sure everything will be put on the back burner for now.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: DaRAGE

If you have such an opinion, then you should be prepared for the fact that other states and nations will come to you in Australia, and under the pretext of oppression and almost complete destruction of the indigenous peoples of Australia, they will dismember your country, introduce troops there under the pretext of oppressing kangaroos and rabbits. ... As the saying goes, if you reject international law and support action from a position of strength, then be prepared for that same strength to come to you.

Are you on my side of the argument or yours? I can’t tell.

It sounds like you are on the side of the Taiwanese truth be told.

Well if China mainland under CCP rule and Taiwan ohhh sorry i mean Taipei… is a part of China… and they have a Democracy and free elections, then it should be alright for Taipei to express their free democracy over mainland China and seize control. They are afterall part of the same country…

How about mainland China free elections to decide the political party of China? Oh wait. Mainland china ccp don’t want that. Is there a huge political and individual rights divide between mainland china and Taiwan oops i mean taipei? Yes

a reply to: RussianTroll

Reject international law? You mean like China?

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