Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: face23785

I see layers of rules that at any point would have prevented this, and responsible actions with a firearm that were not taken out of ignorance.

At any point, this could have been prevented if anyone involved had pulled their head out of their you-know-what and done what they were supposed even once.

Totally agree. Any number of things could've been done to prevent this. It wasn't just a freak accident. It sounds like they had a culture of negligence and ignorance about firearms on that production.

a reply to: face23785

I watched Baldwin playing Trump. It was occasionally funny, usually insulting, and often offensive. Baldwin basically took whatever the lie du jour happened to be and ran with it as though it were true, embellishing as he went.

But that's not what made me dislike him. I understand comedic license, even when I don't like it. What made me dislike Baldwin was his off-camera tough guy persona. I just don't like people who claim to be tough and bad-ass. If one is such, they don't need to brag about it. If they brag about it, they're usually trying to convince themselves it's true.

None of that is relevant here, though. Baldwin is equal under the law. So is Halls. So is the armorer. If they have broken the law, and it certainly appears so on multiple levels, they should pay the consequences like everyone else. The fact that Baldwin is a vociferous advocate of gun control is simply irony... or karma, maybe.

I have noticed that as the wagons start to circle, they start to fall apart on this one. A woman is dead. Baldwin pulled the trigger. I have heard some say that it is the fault of the producer... but then they realize that Baldwin is the producer! So now I'm hearing that the AD is responsible... he is, but that doesn't relieve Baldwin's responsibility. It appears they are running out of people to blame.

I believe it will all come down to whether or not New Mexico is corrupt or not. If so, Baldwin will walk; if not, Baldwin will at least get a trial and have his future in the hands of ordinary people for once. I only pray New Mexico is not that corrupt.

TheRedneck

Legal analysis pointing toward Baldwin facing involuntary manslaughter.

The relevant facts we’re presuming to be established for purposes of this analysis include:

1. That it was Alec Baldwin who was manipulating the gun that fired the projectile that killed Ms. Hutchins.
2. That the gun discharged because the trigger was depressed by Baldwin (and not because of some defect in the weapon).
3. That the muzzle of the weapon was directed towards Ms. Hutchins by Baldwin when it was fired (e.g., she was not killed by an unpredictable ricochet).
4. That the gun contained a live round, the bullet of which struck and killed Ms. Hutchins.
5. That Baldwin had the opportunity to inspect the weapon for live ammo before he directed it at Ms. Hutchins and pressed the trigger, killing her.
6. And, of course, that there was no justification for the shooting of Ms. Hutchins (e.g., this was not an act of lawful self-defense—which it clearly was not).

Separately, we are assuming for purposes of today’s analysis that Baldwin did not intend to injure Ms. Hutchins. If such intent to harm were established, we’d obviously be looking at a much more serious criminal charge than mere involuntary manslaughter.

Assuming, as we are, these facts to be established, it would certainly appear that they are more than sufficient to justify a criminal charge of involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law and to support a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt on that charge.

There is a lot more at the link that then brings up New Mexico's involuntary manslaughter statute and proceeds to discuss how the circumstances in question fit it as an apt charge.

It even brings up the four basic rules of firearms safety:

Phrased in the context most relevant to the facts of this case, the four rules for safe gun handling are:

1. All guns are presumed to be loaded until the gun handler personally verifies otherwise—and that verification becomes invalid the moment the gun leaves the handler’s control.
2. Never point the muzzle of a firearm at anything you are not willing to kill or destroy.
3. Never press the trigger of a firearm unless you intend for it to fire a bullet from the barrel.
4. Know your target, and what is beyond your target.

It discusses how in order for this accident to have occurred, more than one of these four rules had to have been violated because these are redundant. You have to fail at more than one in order to kill.

Based on the apparent facts of this case, it appears incontestable that Alec Baldwin violated all three of those primary gun handling safety rules when he engaged in the conduct that killed Ms. Hutchins.

First, he pointed the muzzle in her direction—presumably directly at her.

Second, he pressed the trigger in the manner designed to fire the weapon.

Third, he failed to first ensure that the weapon did not contain a live round.

The result: the unintended discharge of the bullet into Ms. Hutchins, killing her.

That, in a nutshell, certainly appears to be the “commission of a lawful act which might produce death … without due caution and circumspection.”

And that, as we’ve already seen, is the statutory definition of involuntary manslaughter under § 30-2-3.

So at the very least, Alec Baldwin who constantly tells us how dangerous guns are and sits on a gun control advocacy group board and so presumably knows how dangerous the weapon he was handling was, is responsible for failing to take due diligence in the safe handling of the weapon where Hutchins was concerned.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I don't like the way he called his daughter a pig.

I don't deny that parents can get upset with their kids, even yell at them but calling them pigs?

a reply to: ketsuko

Wow, that's almost exactly what I said in this post, about what approach I would use to present a case against all three involved individuals.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't like the way he called his daughter a pig.

I never heard that one. But yeah, that's pretty sorry for a Dad to say something like that, especially in public.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ketsuko

Wasn't she 12 at the time?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ketsuko

I don't like the way he called his daughter a pig.

I never heard that one. But yeah, that's pretty sorry for a Dad to say something like that, especially in public.

TheRedneck

411: Caught on Tape: Alec Baldwin Calls Daughter a 'Rude, Thoughtless Pig'

originally posted by: TheRedneck

I don't like the way he called his daughter a pig.

I never heard that one. But yeah, that's pretty sorry for a Dad to say something like that, especially in public.

TheRedneck

He didn't say it in public, he said it on her voicemail. Kim Basinger made it public.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Looks like the audio was taken down. The partial transcript was pretty hard to read though... wow! This guy really is a jerk!

TheRedneck

a reply to: alphabetaone

So he didn't even say it about her... he said it to her?

That is not a mark in his favor.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: SirHardHarry

A squib round would only involve a previous lodged projectile in a firearm. Blanks don't have projectiles (slugs).

And according to that poster, revolvers don't have firing pins either.

TheRedneck

They are generally referred to as strikers on revolvers, some are hammer mounted and some are frame mounted. Most old western style revolvers have hammer mounted strikers, not a short frame mounted pin.

a reply to: panoz77

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TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: alphabetaone

So he didn't even say it about her... he said it to her?

Correct.

You would think they would be filming behind a barrier or something. Maybe someone dropped a gun on the ground and the barrel picked up a rock jammed in the end.

Trump jnr Insta post.
Too soon? Nah

Link

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: face23785

I only pray New Mexico is not that corrupt.

TheRedneck

Research their current Governor. I think she’s more hated than Mr Gaffer.

originally posted by: kangawoo
Trump jnr Insta post.
Too soon? Nah

Link

Truthfully, i think anyone mocking someone elses tragic loss for political scoring is a dirtbag move. However, not exactly a departure from the norm from the trump family.

originally posted by: sean
You would think they would be filming behind a barrier or something. Maybe someone dropped a gun on the ground and the barrel picked up a rock jammed in the end.

It has been confirmed that it was a "live" round that was fired. Now there's reports of the crew using the weapon that was involved for target practice earlier that day.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: panoz77

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TheRedneck