The 8-pointed Stargate

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Lol sooner be vaxxed!

Not shocked, most of you are too lazy to find things out on your own and would rather trade rumors.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Lol sooner be vaxxed!

Not shocked, most of you are too lazy to find things out on your own and would rather trade rumors.

Many of us on here have looked deeply in fact, and pray for those who have lost their way.

originally posted by: Nathan-D
So, what is the 8-pointed star?

Most likely the appearance of landing engines/thrusters coming down. Think of the sky cranes on the mars rover delivery vehicles, or the moon landing modules. Its a stable configuration.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: DeadSnow

Lovely. Alchemy is still not taught in Masonry.

Maybe join and find this out yourself.

Well now you've learnt a thing or two about the craft. If you think Freemasonry isn't based on Kabalah you got another thing coming.

"The Kabalah is indeed of the essence of Freemasonry." - co-Mason Helena P. Blavatsky, co-founder of the Theosophical Society, as quoted from secondary source "Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge" by Ankerberg and Weldon, page 236

"Freemasonry is kabbalism in another garb." -- Freemason F. De P. Castelle, "The Genuine Secrets of Freemasonry Prior to A.D. 1717, according to secondary source "Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star" by Dr. Cathy Burns, page 263

"The Jewish mysteries are the source of our present tradition of which was carried to Rome, and thence passed down through the Collegia into the mediaeval guilds, finally emerging in the eighteenth century in the speculative rituals of the Craft degrees, in the Holy Royal Arch and the degree of Mark Master Mason, and in those of other emblems and ceremonies..." -- Freemason C.W. Leadbeater, "Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites, page 77

"The whole basis of our theory is the Qabalah...." -- Aleister Crowley, Freemason and father of modern satanism as quoted in Craig Heimbichner's "Blood On The Altar", page 116; primary source is "Magic In Theory and Practice" by the self-professed "Beast-666" himself, Crowley.

"....the theories of Qabbalism are inextricably interwoven with the tenets of alchemy, Hermeticism, Rosicrucianism, and Freemasonry." -- 33rd Degree Freemason Manly Palmer Hall, as quoted from secondary source "Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge," by Ankerberg and Weldon, page 220

"...in the Kabbala we find fragments of the symbolic knowledge which was once the exclusive property of the initiates. So close are the analogies between certain of the doctrines of the Kabbala and those of the earlier degrees of Masonry, that it has been supposed that Kabbalistic students were responsible for the introduction of speculative Masonry into our modern Craft. The student of occultism does not hold this view, for he knows that our speculative rituals belong in substance to a far older past than the eighteenth century, and that they perpetuate the tradition of the Jews, who derived it from the Mysteries of Egypt. He sees in the Kabbala a written and exoteric portion of certain teachings belonging to the Jews, though handed down...." - Freemasonry and Its Ancient Mystic Rites, Freemason C.W. Leadbeater, page 73

"The Cabala may be defined to be a system of philosophy which embraces certain mystical interpretations of Scripture, and metaphysical and spiritual beings... Much use is made of it in the advanced degrees, and entire Rites have been constructed on its principles." -- Freemason Albert Mackey, "Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry," as quoted from secondary source "Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge," page 220

"Masonry cannot be fully appreciated or understood without knowledge of the Qabalist Tree of Life..." -- Paul Foster case, Freemason and Golden Dawn member, considered to be the outstanding authority of Tarot, Qbalah, Alchemy, and other occult topics, as quoted by Dr. Cathy Burns, "Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star, page 263

"...all Masonic associations owe to it [Kabala] their secrets and their symbols." --Eliphas Levi, Transcendental Magic, as quoted from secondary source, "Fallen Angel" by Thomas Friend on page 241 [brackets mine; Levi was a 19th century Freemason and black magician, whose works were plagiarized by infamous Freemason, Albert Pike, according to Freemason Manly Hall.]

"The true philosophy, known and practiced by Soloman, is the basis on which Masonry is founded." -- Albert Pike, Freemason of the 33rd and last Degree, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Freemasonry", 1871, L.H. Jenkins Inc., p. 785. "According to Talmudic legends, Solomon understood the mysteries of the Qabbalah. He was also a necromancer, being able to summon demons." -- Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree Freemason, "The Secret Teachings of All Ages", p. 566.

"Freemasonry is founded upon the activities of this secret society of Central European adepts, whom the studious Mason will find to be the definite 'link' between the modern Craft and the Ancient Wisdom. The outer body of Masonic philosophy was merely the veil of this Qabbalistic order whose members were the custodians of the true Arcanum." -- 33rd Degree Freemason Manly Palmer Hall, "Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins

"The basis of the Western occultism of medieval is the Kabbalah of the medieval Hebrew Rabbis." William Wynn Westcott, a Freemason, "The Rosicrucians: Past and Present, At Home and Abroad, an Address to the Soc. Rosic. In Anglia

"That great Kabbilistical association known in Europe under the name of Masonry appeared suddenly in the world when the revolt against the Church had just succeeded in dismembering Christian unity." -- Eliphas Levi, Freemason, black magician and Cabalist, author of "Transcendental Magic", "Mysteries of the Qabalah", and "The History of Magic", from whence this quote was derived, page 283, here notes that Freemasonry is a Cabalist institution and suggests that it became public in consequence of the wreckage of Christian unity that followed in the wake of the Reformation, which it likely had no small part in effecting in this author's opinion.

"Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kaballah." -- Freemason Albert Pike, 33rd Degree, as quoted in Ankerberg and Weldon's excellent book, "Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge," page 217

And so it appears our above member is more well versed in the craft, than the most renown Masonic authors. Perhaps the red degrees will further enlighten you.

a reply to: Nathan-D

an alignment of planets created an 8-pointed star in the sky. These planets were Saturn, Venus, and Mars. You can see an image of this alignment below. Talbott explains that when this alignment occurred, a mountain formed to Saturn and Venus,

I clearly lack visual imagination as I cannot understand how a mountain formed to Saturn and Venus. Also, to see exactly 8 rays, and not 4, 6, or 33, is impossible: there are no rays from any star. The rays is an atmospheric effect:, therefore you need very precise and consistent atmospheric conditions to see 4, 6, 33, or 8 rays. Furthermore, the atmospheric conditions are extremely local, that is: moving just some meters away from your original position the effect disappears.

So, does anyone ever have seen 8 rays coming from any star ever? I think the explanation for the 8-pointed star symbol is more prosaic: it is easier to draw as it is just a cross inscribed into another cross. Kids are very good at drawing them.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Many of us on here have looked deeply in fact, and pray for those who have lost their way.

Pray for yourself, although it won't do anything to address your ignorance on the topic.

originally posted by: DeadSnow
Well now you've learnt a thing or two about the craft. If you think Freemasonry isn't based on Kabalah you got another thing coming.

Lot of non-Masons you're quoting there, more of the ignorant blind leading the ignorant blind.

Feel free to believe what you want, I'm no longer interested in changing anyone's opinion as I found the only way to do that is far too hard for most of you.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DeadSnow
Well now you've learnt a thing or two about the craft. If you think Freemasonry isn't based on Kabalah you got another thing coming.

Lot of non-Masons you're quoting there, more of the ignorant blind leading the ignorant blind.

Feel free to believe what you want, I'm no longer interested in changing anyone's opinion as I found the only way to do that is far too hard for most of you.

Maybe it's because they don't trust you... (Rightly so)

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Nathan-D

an alignment of planets created an 8-pointed star in the sky. These planets were Saturn, Venus, and Mars. You can see an image of this alignment below. Talbott explains that when this alignment occurred, a mountain formed to Saturn and Venus,

I clearly lack visual imagination as I cannot understand how a mountain formed to Saturn and Venus. Also, to see exactly 8 rays, and not 4, 6, or 33, is impossible: there are no rays from any star. The rays is an atmospheric effect:, therefore you need very precise and consistent atmospheric conditions to see 4, 6, 33, or 8 rays. Furthermore, the atmospheric conditions are extremely local, that is: moving just some meters away from your original position the effect disappears.

So, does anyone ever have seen 8 rays coming from any star ever? I think the explanation for the 8-pointed star symbol is more prosaic: it is easier to draw as it is just a cross inscribed into another cross. Kids are very good at drawing them.

Maybe it's incomplete?

originally posted by: EA006
Maybe it's because they don't trust you... (Rightly so)

I didn't ask them to trust me, which is why I'm telling the lazy people to go find out for themselves. But lazy people being the lazy people they are don't have the motivation to do anything that might require effort.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EA006
Maybe it's because they don't trust you... (Rightly so)

I didn't ask them to trust me, which is why I'm telling the lazy people to go find out for themselves. But lazy people being the lazy people they are don't have the motivation to do anything that might require effort.

Calling them lazy and ignorant will work well..
You do remember this is a conspiracy site for people to share ideas and thoughts?

Nobody asked for your input but you're free to give it. As are they.

originally posted by: EA006
Calling them lazy and ignorant will work well..

They can try to prove me wrong but they won't for the above reasons.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EA006
Calling them lazy and ignorant will work well..

They can try to prove me wrong but they won't for the above reasons.

They can do as they please.

originally posted by: EA006
They can do as they please.

Of course they can, including sitting on their lazy asses and speculating.

Well folks, Freemasonry considers you to be lazy and ignorant...

originally posted by: EA006

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EA006
Maybe it's because they don't trust you... (Rightly so)

I didn't ask them to trust me, which is why I'm telling the lazy people to go find out for themselves. But lazy people being the lazy people they are don't have the motivation to do anything that might require effort.

Calling them lazy and ignorant will work well..
You do remember this is a conspiracy site for people to share ideas and thoughts?

Nobody asked for your input but you're free to give it. As are they.

Time will tell who's speaking the truth. Do you really expect him to tell us anything when he's sworn to secrecy and scared to break his vow of silence? What evidence has he brought forward other than claiming "conspiracy theory" (apophenia) like the rest of these politicians. He also assumes none of us are or were Freemasons.

Freemasons are boy scouts compared to higher level societies. Gatekeepers, Any jack, jack and jack can join them.

They should tell us about the death of the black hole sun (Black box of saturn) Chi-ram abiff (Osiris), how it happened 216 years early when he was killed by Jubela (Taurus = Ruler) Jubelo (Aries = Square) and Jubelum (Pisces = Malet). How the great work is the great RE-birth.

They take us for fools.

So mote (parole/Payroll) it be.

originally posted by: EA006
Well folks, Freemasonry considers you to be lazy and ignorant...

Thing is, he's not wrong. If you refuse to take up the offer to confirm a claim, you nuked your own claim yourself. That's the chicken#-has-no-proof route he's pointing out.

Let's assume the poster is...Catholic. I could say every small-town Catholic church is a pedo-grooming camp from birth, and I could keep parroting that until Kingdom Come. If I were to be told to sit in on services and see for myself and I rejected that because "I knew better", would I not be wussing out on producing proof from the source? I have no qualms with saying even *I* would call myself a mouthy chicken# for that gem.


Comeback caveat: Not religious, so religious-oriented comebacks don't matter at all. The meat of my example DOES. Which is just a rehash of Aug's, with different words. Same claims of club intent, though -- nefarious, but without proof.

originally posted by: DeadSnow
Do you really expect him to tell us anything when he's sworn to secrecy and scared to break his vow of silence?

Here's the thing, as long as you don't ask me about the passwords and handshakes I can pretty much talk about anything I want without violating my obligations.

He also assumes none of us are or were Freemasons.

I'm positive none of you are or were, your choice of words is a dead give away to anyone who is.

a reply to: DeadSnow

You're right.
Time will tell who is hiding things.