UK Highest Infection rate because they vaccinated early!

originally posted by: DanZoller
a reply to: ScepticScot

My opinion stands. If doctors and pharma are non profit, then I will believe them. If they are doing it for profit, then I will not believe them. Profit drives men to do evil things, even murder.

Considering most of the economy works on profit amazing there any of us left.

However healthcare in UK is mainly non profit.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, however in this case there isn't any evidence to support your opinion.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DanZoller
a reply to: ScepticScot

My opinion stands. If doctors and pharma are non profit, then I will believe them. If they are doing it for profit, then I will not believe them. Profit drives men to do evil things, even murder.

The covid vax is price capped, and far less profitable than a lot of other drugs that the companies could be makings so its highly unlikely that this is about money in the UK. Drug companies would be better off making diet pills or a new type of viagra.

Considering most of the economy works on profit amazing there any of us left.

However healthcare in UK is mainly non profit.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, however in this case there isn't any evidence to support your opinion.

Most of these services in the UK are provided by the state. private companies that want their drugs sold usually have to negotiate a price with the state and to agree service levels. It prevents most forms of profiteering and it caps prices to much lower levels than are paid in the US.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: AaarghZombies

You just can't picture people having a common agreement because everything is politics to you.

Everything is a "side". Isn't that right?

Edit to add: Pound sand.

No, no I can't.

Politic, economics, religion, historic grudges, pure malice, all of the above make it unthinkable for there to be a global conspiracy over covid.

Why would countries like Iran, Syria, and Russia agree to destroy their own economies and to kill their own people?

It cannot be about power because those governments already have it.

What about countries like the UK that waited till thing got really bad before locking down and then unlocked really early and are now refusing to lock down again.

If one of America's closest allies is defying the narrative then it's lik8that there isn't a narrative and that countries are simply doing similar things rather than following a script.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Why would countries like Iran, Syria, and Russia agree to destroy their own economies and to kill their own people?

Because they have all signed up to the agenda.

Why did Hitler and his mob kill German people?

Have you watched this?

People who have taken a double vax are more likely by about i would say… 1/3rd more likely to catch the corona virus than those who are unvaccinated. However those who are double vaxed are less likely to require hospitalisation by about 50% to 100%.

I think they catch it easier because their natural immune system gets screwed up, but they still have good antibodies to defend. But man i swear it nukes the natural immune system.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Why would countries like Iran, Syria, and Russia agree to destroy their own economies and to kill their own people?

Because they have all signed up to the agenda.

Why did Hitler and his mob kill German people?

Have you watched this?

Hitler killed anybody who opposed him, regardless of nationality, because he was a lunatic.

What agenda could Iran, North Korea, Russia and Syria possibly sign up to alongside the US that would make them fake a pandemic?

These countries can barely agree on whether water is wet or not.

Why would Biden and trump both sign up to this if it was fake?

originally posted by: DaRAGE
People who have taken a double vax are more likely by about i would say… 1/3rd more likely to catch the corona virus than those who are unvaccinated. However those who are double vaxed are less likely to require hospitalisation by about 50% to 100%.

I think they catch it easier because their natural immune system gets screwed up, but they still have good antibodies to defend. But man i swear it nukes the natural immune system.

Any evidence that people who are double vaxed are more likely to catch covid?

a reply to: ScepticScot
The UK.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
The UK.

Care to expand?

a reply to: ScepticScot
One of the highest vaccinated countries has the highest climbing infection rates.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
One of the highest vaccinated countries has the highest climbing infection rates.

As one of the highest vacinated countries UK has virtually no restrictions in place to reduce transmission.

You would need to compare relative infection rates between the unvacinated & vacinated accounting for age and other demographic factors.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: bilbous
So the latest news coming out of the Uk is that the reason we have the highest amount of infections is because of the early success of the vaccine rollout. This means the vaccine is has now waned to a point were it is no longer effective.
Story here

This will now become the narrative for pushing the boosters, I can just feel the next lockdown in the UK is imminent and I for one and just sick and tired of it all, there has to be a point when we all just say enough is enough, lets learn to live with it and let natural immunity take its course.

No, we have the highest infection rate because they UKGov Covid response has been badly implemented and hard to follow from day 1

What you say is true but only part of the equation.

Whistleblowers with the medical community have been pointing out for almost a year now that ADE will lead to increased numbers of infections, the misused PCR test notwithstanding.

The UK and virtually every other government have ignored those warnings for all these months.

Though many thousands of conscientious doctors have made public calls to end the vaccination programs, they have been ignored. Indeed, higher rates of vaccination have led to higher rates of infections all around the world.

This was a planned event. Many of us realize we've all been deceived, but many don't.

I will say it again STOP, STOP using infection data to drive anything. The only number anyone should be concerned about is the death rate. Yeah, infections have gone up bbuuuttt, the death is going down. Out of UKs population of 67 million, in the week 24th September there were 1,110 deaths. in the week 1st October there were 974 deaths. In the week 8th October there were 820 deaths.
Now there are approx. 1,250 hospitals in the UK so by the last weeks figures that's less than 1 death per hospital, hardly a surge. Let me put the infection against death into perspective:- If the total population in the UK was Covid positive and there were no deaths why the furore over infections. Every year millions have the flu, and unfortunately some die of it, but the government doesn't implement lockdowns because of the flu infections.

a reply to: ScepticScot

How do assume that vaccines are working? we may have just gone thru the compromised and are now getting those who would have had exactly the same non-events if there had been no lockdowns.
The cases are just being spread around the healthier people. With or with out the vaccines the would have survived.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

nice math, load of codswallops as it assumes everyone is just like the other one. After all how many sick over 80s are there left in the UK.

Using your number, 98.4% of the population will not be killed by the virus.

In those same 3 years of getting to herd immunity 1.5 million people are expected to die of non-covid related causes. More that 500,000 are preventable life style changes, Over 200,000 will die from ordinary Diseases of the respiratory system
So why the the rush to jab, give people the offer and leave everyone alone.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: ScepticScot

How do assume that vaccines are working? we may have just gone thru the compromised and are now getting those who would have had exactly the same non-events if there had been no lockdowns.
The cases are just being spread around the healthier people. With or with out the vaccines the would have survived.

Because serious cases & deaths are much lower amongst the vacinated population v unvacinated. As has been shown in multiple studies using proper statistical analysis as opposed to uninformed speculation on a conspiracy site.

a reply to: Itisnowagain
This is their excuse to push for a 3th booster dose. Like Israel did. Cases might down? but in Israel the deaths had risen?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
One of the highest vaccinated countries has the highest climbing infection rates.

Most covid restrictions have been lifted in England. People are behaving as if the pandemic is over and the government is resisting calls to reintroduce things like mask mandates.

In short, nobody is taking any precautions any more.

Plus because of the vax people are contaminated rather than infected. They have trace amounts of covid in their bodies but not enough to make them sick.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: AaarghZombies

nice math, load of codswallops as it assumes everyone is just like the other one. After all how many sick over 80s are there left in the UK.

Using your number, 98.4% of the population will not be killed by the virus.

In those same 3 years of getting to herd immunity 1.5 million people are expected to die of non-covid related causes. More that 500,000 are preventable life style changes, Over 200,000 will die from ordinary Diseases of the respiratory system
So why the the rush to jab, give people the offer and leave everyone alone.

It's basic math. 80 percent of people must catch covid in order to get natural Herd immunity. 1.6 percent of them will die.

1.6 percent of 80 percent of the UK population is hundreds of thousands of people.

The UK government is trying to stop all of the other deaths as well, but while there is a Vax against covid there isn't one against being fat and lazy.

Are you suggesting that the obese should be forced to diet by the government?

Maybe a fat passport. You must be this thin to enter?

originally posted by: Salander higher rates of vaccination have led to higher rates of infections all around the world.

Tell that to Japan ....

Cases in Tokyo were ~6,000 a day earlier in the summer. After a mass vaccination programme they are now down to under 50 a day.

Admittedly, no-one quite knows why there has been such a dramatic drop compared with other countries, but nonetheless ....