Notes on NUREMBERG. COVID vaccine deaths & adverse events reported thus far in the EU. UK. & USA.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: chr0naut

Deaths and adverse reactions within 2 weeks are, very specifically, counted, as are deaths and adverse reactions that happen for months afterwards. For instance, syncope, which is fainting within 10 minutes of receiving the vaccine, is one of the things they are monitoring for and is one of the most immediate adverse reactions observed.

What'd be the point of systems like VARES if no-one can put anything into it due to some really stupid time restraints?

chr0naut

Not ONLY do the "reporting agencies" fail to recognize a vaccinated person who received their vaccination within 14 days as having any REAL reaction to their toxic covid 19 vaccintaion...
.... they are NOW claiming that ANY period of time following a vaccination will be listed as a person who is not FULLY vaccinated.

THIS IS A LIE. And they are MURDERERS.

One source of the 14 day FRAUD rule

ANOTHER source of the 14 day FRAUD rule

From the CDC RE: fully vaccinated

PA Health Dept complicit in FRAUD

The Public is NOT stupid. We KNOW when a person receives a vaccination they received a vaccination... NOT an almost vaccination or a pretend vaccination.

The first two links were to stuff that Mercola has posted. They weren't really separate supportive links. They were the same guy, saying the same thing. And, he is an Osteopath, and noted anti-vaxxer.

The other thing is that it takes time for an immune response to happen, and to reach maximum effectiveness. It does so because it relies on our biology. The idea that someone reaches immune response instantaneously is 'magical thinking'.

In the paper you linked, they were looking at the relationship between vaccination status and hospitalization, so it makes sense to compare hospitalization to the time when maximum immune response should be happening. Then they are measuring the real effects of the vaccine, not of the process by which it is delivered.

As soon as they have received their vaccination, then any adverse reaction can be entered into VAERS as a possible adverse reaction to the vaccine. I already gave the example of syncope.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: chr0naut

No, asymptomatic carriers are the more dangerous spreaders of a disease.

Read up on the historical US case of Mary Mallon, also known of as Typhoid Mary.

chr0naut

Are you NOW calling ALL the people who aren’t FULLY vaccinated or vaccinated even with ONE toxic vax as TYPHOID MARYS ????

No, I wasn't. I was pointing out that asymptomatic carriers are actually quite dangerous. Asymptomatic people who don't have COVID-19 pose no danger at all.

One person cannot represent the ENTIRE PLANET of UNVACCINATED people for purposes of proving unvaccinated people are the disease carriers.

I wasn't. Unvaccinated people who don't have COVID-19 pose no threat to the general public from COVID-19, whatsoever.

I suggest you find another source of evidence than ONE PERSON who had a typhoid disease without symptoms = the planet of unvaccinated people are spreading the supposed covid flu

You know… as in WHERE IS THE SCIENCE ?????????????

You aren't even responding to what I said.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: chr0naut

A medical case of the disease presents symptomologically, confirmed by test, or simply by a sequence of positive tests. You cannot randomly include people who have shown no symptoms and have not been tested, just because you want to inflate some numbers.

NO, chr0naut… one may NOT claim a result from an Unreliable test as evidence that one has a disease.

REMEMBER… the CDC admits the PCR test DOES NOT WORK ACCURATELY.

So… AGAIN…You may NOT use an inaccurate test to provide evidence of anything except Inaccurate results.

The CDC made no claim that the tests were not accurate. They merely quantified the levels of confidence in the tests.

Like all things in measurement, there are margins of error - human and systematic.

Usually when one starts stating absolutes about real world measurements, it is an indication that they aren't telling the full truth.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: chr0naut

The databases are of adverse reactions.

Someone mis-described them as "injuries", to imply that the adverse reactions had lasting effect - a lot of people are trying their hardest to make out something that simply isn't the case, because the doom-porn doesn't work in the cold hard light of reason.

OH???? So your claim is now that 1 million six hundred twenty four thousand five hundred and forty two people are MAKING OUT SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY ISN’T THE CASE.
Do you think we are all idiots to buy that ?

That wasn't my point, however, in a world of billions of people, it is to be expected that 0.02% of them may be not entirely truthful.

But in this case, the databases don't describe adverse reactions as injuries. So someone has definitely changed the wording along the way. That does not require each person reporting to the database to lie about their condition. It only requires one person to misrepresent things along the way.

They were "adverse reactions".

There were very few adverse reactions, compared with the number of vaccine doses administered. Of those very few adverse reactions, very few were injuries with lasting effect. The ratio's are vanishingly small. That's fact.

I do NOT consider one million, six hundred twenty four thousand, five hundred and forty two cases to be a SMALL number.

No the number is large, but I spoke of the ratio. Compared to the roughly 6.6 billion doses administered so far, a million adverse reactions is like a six thousandth.

And remember, the VAERS website ALSO states, that because of the DIFFICULTY in reporting and even knowing WHERE to report injuries/death… they consider the number reported to be only 1% of actual numbers.

Who are 'they"? And where did they publish their estimation and how did they arrive at it?

It is mandatory for medical practitioners in several countries to report to their national databases of adverse reactions like VARES. The opinions of those medically capable reporters are probably worth more than the general populace who may be likely to over-report due to hypochondria.

And that’s ONLY the United States injuries/deaths… there are all the other countries exhibiting identical travesties.
Which is WHY the people across the globe are out in numbers PROTESTING THIS FRAUD AND VULGAR MURDER/HARM.

I'll await these "tens of thousands of attorneys" to lay their cases before the courts and get a ruling (funny how when Fullermich was reported as doing so, it was only supposed to be 1000 attorneys and 10,000 claimants).

originally posted by: Chalcedony
A. Because it is well known that asymptomatic spread is a problem, which is the reason for the mask mandates.

It is true this is the purported reason for the mask mandates, but it is blatantly false that asymptomatic spread is a problem. The reality is, the only real testing they've done has shown just the opposite - asymptomatic spread is actually very rare.

I'll just ignore the rest as irrelevant nonsense.

Anyway, imo most of our leaders, more so democrat leaders, have also lost their way. Those whom claim to be Catholics like Pelosi and Biden among others, but are in favor of abortion for any reason are going against Elohim's/God's mandates. They know this but don't care, which is why they have turned so dictatorial. Our leaders have come to believe that they have more power even than Elohim/God, and that they alone can tell us how we should live, what we should do, etc.

These vaccine mandates imo are being done for more than one reason. Part of that reason imo is that those leaders that know, such as Fauci, and many democrat leaders know that the vaccines do have the cell lines from aborted human children. If you take the vaccines they are tainting your body with the cells of the most innocent humans that have been murdered. These leaders have turned away from Elohim/God, and they believe they can supplant him and that they know better than him which is why they are going against many of God's laws.

These leader literally want to drag us with them in their path of destruction and not just a destruction of our physical bodies, but a destruction of our souls.

The Virgin Mary has given us, those of us whom are actually Catholics, warnings through her chosen messengers. Including not to take the vaccines.

After the first main warning which we all will see no matter where in the world we live, we will all have a time of about 6 weeks (according to father Miche Rodrigue and other messengers) in which everyone will be blessed knowing the peace of Elohim/God and we will be able to decide whether to follow him or not. At that time if people truly repent from the worse sins, such as the murder of the unborn, our sins will be forgiven and the doors to heaven will be open for everyone whom decides of their own volition to follow God/Elohim. It is and will be the choice of every person that is alive.

a reply to: chr0naut

The idea that these experimental vaccines will save you and it is your choice to deny the rest of us our free will to choose is what is truly "magical thinking."

You will make excuses even when virologists, and even just regular people like Joe Rogan, can actually prove that the vaccines are not necessary and there are treatment which are much better and don't cause the serious injuries, including death, that the experimental vaccines do cause.

You want to ignore even the statements by virologists like Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, or the French virologist and nobel peace prize winner whom discovered HIV Dr. Luc Montagnier, Dr. Lee Merritt and many others whom actually say we shouldn't take these vaccines, so be it. It is still YOUR choice.

But it isn't your right/choice, nor the right of any leaders, to force us to take vaccines which are experimental and have caused so much serious side effects to millions of people and have killed tens of thousands of people.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: chr0naut

The idea that these experimental vaccines will save you and it is your choice to deny the rest of us our free will to choose is what is truly "magical thinking."

You will make excuses even when virologists, and even just regular people like Joe Rogan, can actually prove that the vaccines are not necessary and there are treatment which are much better and don't cause the serious injuries, including death, that the experimental vaccines do cause.

You want to ignore even the statements by virologists like Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Who is Geert Vanden Bossche?

, or the French virologist and nobel peace prize winner whom discovered HIV Dr. Luc Montagnier

Luc Montagnier’s Views on COVID Vaccines Are Latest Of His Wrong, Vexing Ideas

, Dr. Lee Merritt

Experts debunk the COVID-19 claims of Dr. Lee Merritt and the AFLDS

and many others whom actually say we shouldn't take these vaccines, so be it. It is still YOUR choice.

But it isn't your right/choice, nor the right of any leaders, to force us to take vaccines which are experimental and have caused so much serious side effects to millions of people and have killed tens of thousands of people.

Sure, I disagree with mandatory vaccination.

I believe that there should be far better education, but not only for vaccines.

The public also need better education into identification of sources of credible information, and rejection of those who do it for fame, or money, or because they are sociopathic, and are happy to lie.

Currently, there seem to be many people who rate some anonymous social media meme or video, as more credible than that of scientific, academic, medical, and governmental authorities. These people who believe social media seem to have no skeptical filters at all, and think their mistrust of authorities is valid, and not conspiracist paranoia.

I also believe that the people who directly spread misinformation, or organize or lead mass meetings in contravention of public safety rules, and that will lead to more avoidable deaths, should be held legally and financially responsible for the lives lost - in 'Nuremburg type' fully publicly broadcast trials.

Then people will be more careful with their opinions, because at the present time, there is no consequence at all for them to do the most evil things, by suggesting they are protected by 'free speech' laws.

Even governments and authorities should be held accountable for what they say, in exactly the same way.

So that we will be able to trust our information sources to be mostly true, and not like it is now, with the most outrageous of 'clickbait' nonsense, propagandist memes, and lying headlines getting the spotlight.

a reply to: chr0naut

Your calculation is wildly inaccurate. The number of vaxxed was merely a percentage of 850,000,000 - it was not anything to do with 6,609,365,535

Slow clap for chr0naut.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: chr0naut

Your calculation is wildly inaccurate. The number of vaxxed was merely a percentage of 850,000,000 - it was not anything to do with 6,609,365,535

Slow clap for chr0naut.

I took my number of vaccine doses administered from the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Dashboard page.

However, going from your number of 850,000,000, the dose-fatality ratio of the COVID-19 vaccines becomes 0.00478 %

a reply to: chr0naut

 They are just big American companies doing big American company stuff

American?

That's cute.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: chr0naut

Vaccinations don't prevent people from catching a disease pathogen. They help them to have a rapid immune response that fights off the disease better and faster. 

I haven't had a vaccine since I was a teenager.

I haven't fallen ill with any of the diseases I've been vaccinated for.

Within six months, thousands upon thousands of mRNA shot guinea pigs have caught Covid.

It's not a vaccine.

After decades of vaccinations, the diseases you were vaccinated against were greatly attenuated. But none of that happened immediately.

They are vaccines. They work just like all other vaccines and promote an immune response to the pathogen. That does not make you immediately immune to the pathogen, and it does not make the pathogen just cease to exist.

You're in for a big surprise.

Stay safe.

I mean that as well Chronaut. Please don't put too much trust in Big Pharma and the governments they employ.

I know it's fun to take potshots at each other but please be aware of the oddities.

originally posted by: chr0naut

Sure, I disagree with mandatory vaccination.

I also believe that the people who directly spread misinformation, or organize or lead mass meetings in contravention of public safety rules, which will lead to more avoidable deaths, should be held legally and financially responsible for the lives lost Nuremburg type' fully publicly broadcast trials.

Even governments and authorities should be held accountable for what they say, in exactly the same way.

So that we will be able to trust our information sources to be mostly true, and not like it is now, with the most outrageous of 'clickbait' nonsense, propagandist memes, and lying headlines getting the spotlight.

You say the right things, but your actions don't align with the sentiment.

There would be no need for vaccine mandates, if only people were "EDUCATED" by government approved scientists and take the vaccine without question.
Is that what you mean?

You will probably be please to know since 22-07-2020 we now we have Launching today, the COVID-19 Law Lab initiative gathers and shares legal documents from over 190 countries across the world to help states establish and implement strong legal frameworks to manage the pandemic. The goal is to ensure that laws protect the health and wellbeing of individuals and communities and that they adhere to international human rights standards.

“Harmful laws can exacerbate stigma and discrimination, infringe on people’s rights and undermine public health responses,”

Being labelled Anti-Vax for having a healthy immune system ( even survivors of an infection ) is a stigma and individuals face huge discrimination.


Being given "RE-EDUCATION" and put into Isolation from society until you comply with a jab for a 95+% asymptomatic infection is not supporting individuals' rights.

Being censored for asking questions and reporting on medically proven therapeutics is not what I would call giving confidence in public health.

Welcome to the start of the unelected world government. WHO is in charge? Don't ask questions or think just do as required or unfortunately there will be "cases" to answer to.

Handy you can report on "Cases" and include asymptomatic people in the scary number.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: chr0naut

 They are just big American companies doing big American company stuff

American?

That's cute.

List of largest biomedical companies by revenue
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

24 of the top 38 Biomed Companies are American.

originally posted by: puzzled2

originally posted by: chr0naut

Sure, I disagree with mandatory vaccination.

I also believe that the people who directly spread misinformation, or organize or lead mass meetings in contravention of public safety rules, which will lead to more avoidable deaths, should be held legally and financially responsible for the lives lost Nuremburg type' fully publicly broadcast trials.

Even governments and authorities should be held accountable for what they say, in exactly the same way.

So that we will be able to trust our information sources to be mostly true, and not like it is now, with the most outrageous of 'clickbait' nonsense, propagandist memes, and lying headlines getting the spotlight.

You say the right things, but your actions don't align with the sentiment.

There would be no need for vaccine mandates, if only people were "EDUCATED" by government approved scientists and take the vaccine without question.
Is that what you mean?

No. it isn't what I meant.

I have an academic background in the sciences, and the American government has had no opportunity to educate me at all, as I am a national of another country, and currently reside in yet another country.

You will probably be please to know since 22-07-2020 we now we have Launching today, the COVID-19 Law Lab initiative gathers and shares legal documents from over 190 countries across the world to help states establish and implement strong legal frameworks to manage the pandemic. The goal is to ensure that laws protect the health and wellbeing of individuals and communities and that they adhere to international human rights standards.

Ohh, a world public health organization trying to coordinate the law in multiple countries to work to minimize health risks. How incredibly... expected.

Being labelled Anti-Vax for having a healthy immune system ( even survivors of an infection ) is a stigma and individuals face huge discrimination.

It is a novel virus. No human being has an immune system that has ever encountered the virus until they are infected, and it kills some of those, even if they are otherwise healthy. That is how pathological diseases have always operated.

People who choose to be vaccinated also have healthy immune systems. The vaccines just give our immune systems an advantage. That is how all vaccines work.

People are anti-vaxxers because they are against the vaccines. Nothing to do with their immune system, healthy or otherwise.

Being given "RE-EDUCATION" and put into Isolation from society until you comply with a jab for a 95+% asymptomatic infection is not supporting individuals' rights.

95+ aymptomatic? Where did you get that number from?

For the first few days, no-one shows any symptoms, and there are a high percentage that appear to remain asymptomatic, but I don't think any study has had 95% +.

COVID-19: What proportion are asymptomatic?

Being censored for asking questions and reporting on medically proven therapeutics is not what I would call giving confidence in public health.

Being a quack and a snake oil salesman is the reason people are being opposed, but not censored. The fact you know about them, and watch their videos and announcements, shows that. And some of those purportedly medically proven therapeutics can, and have been, dangerous in the past. But the lying proponents keep telling you they are benign. But there is experience that shows that there are dangers.

Brazil's Main COVID Strategy Is A Cocktail Of Unproven Drugs - NPR

Welcome to the start of the unelected world government. WHO is in charge? Don't ask questions or think just do as required or unfortunately there will be "cases" to answer to.

Handy you can report on "Cases" and include asymptomatic people in the scary number.

All the governments that existed before this disease, are still there, in power.

The World Health Organization had their funding cut significantly, and so are hardly in a position of power.

Here's what I think: the people who try and counter any efforts to defend against a raging disease, are not patriots. They are not defending freedom, they are extending the effects of a disease, extending the financial chaos, extending the number of deaths, and that disease now has a number of relatively cheap medicines. Not $1,000's per dose, but only $40, and there are only two or three doses required.

Sure they aren't perfect and magic cures, but they are way, way, better than doing F-all.

a reply to: chr0naut
The media are lying in our faces.....if it wasn't so obvious then maybe people would have more trust.

They said 900,000 children had been hospitalised since covid began.......when it was actually 63,000.


They said Joe Rogan took horse dewormer.....when he took human ivermectin.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Thanks for all that. Yep, this Plandemic is the ultimate false flag operation.

Many now know that, many are beginning to understand they've been deceived, and some portion of the herd will never understand they've been duped.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut
The media are lying in our faces.....if it wasn't so obvious then maybe people would have more trust.

They said 900,000 children had been hospitalised since covid began.......when it was actually 63,000.

They said Joe Rogan took horse dewormer.....when he took human ivermectin.

Yep, some people and organizations made exaggerated and inaccurate clams. Out them for it. Which was done, as it should be.

But don't start suggesting that everyone in the media, or government is therefore lying all the time, about everything. That's too broad a brush to paint them with.

And don't assume that those who say something different than them, must be telling the truth, either.

Treat what you read online with skepticism, and specifically, consider the ramifications to someone who may not be telling the truth, if they are caught in a lie.

To a media company, getting caught lying affects their credibility, and bottom line (or it should), but the online snake-oil salesmen, hucksters, and those famous for being famous, have a reason to keep pushing the lies because it gets them attention, and sales.

Do you see how that works?

a reply to: chr0naut

So you're confused the WHO are expected to lay down the laws and required education around the world but you're immune to the programming because

I have an academic background in the sciences, and the American government has had no opportunity to educate me at all, as I am a national of another country, and currently reside in yet another country.

WHAT part did you miss about the WHO SETTING the laws around the world NZis the biggest buy in to the the WEF Build back Better campaign.

The World Health Organization had their funding cut significantly, and so are hardly in a position of power.

Position to set the laws and declare a Pandemic, which can then give the power to order the change of society - in 290 countries.
They aren't the bribers, they are the ones legitimizing those that are corrupt.

The web we uncovered paints a picture of a public health organiszation that has been corrupted by the opioid industry
Katherine Clark and Hal Rogers -2019

Purdue Pharma accused of 'corrupting' WHO to boost global opioid sales
This article is more than 2 years old
‘Unscrupulous’ manufacturer replicated false marketing claims to change WHO guidelines, report by members of Congress allege

So have a prior history of being influenced to allow business to profit.

Here's what I think: the people who try and counter any efforts to defend against a raging disease, are not patriots. They are not defending freedom, they are extending the effects of a disease, extending the financial chaos, extending the number of deaths, and that disease now has a number of relatively cheap medicines.

Really you believe that?
Can you show the government publish proof that killing parasites in people prior to being infected with sars-cov-2 wouldn't help keep them out of the hospital?




You also said

But there is experience that shows that there are dangers.

But some how Remdesivir was approved and used when experience showed it killed people. It was eventual not recommended by the WHO but is still accepted and used around the world Strange that...

Are there any studies that don't included a still under patent control drug that helps a over-reaction by the immune system?

Surely, there would have been more therapeutic and health advice, if your right and the governments are about saving lives.
But lockdown and now with a forced vaccination program shows that it was about lives but build back better.

Perhaps the Maori had a good policy when they took control, you would support them too I suppose.