A Conservative MP Has Been Stabbed While Attending A Constituency Surgery At A Church In Essex.

a reply to: UKTruth

its a first, the first time ever I agree with you

it kind of shows why we are all different and arguing over politics is pointless as no one is represented completly, its always the best of a bad bunch to fit the general populous

a reply to: UKTruth

why should I be taken to court for a passing remark , its not an accusation unless i goto the police and provide evidence of such theft is it ?

I could goto the police with evidence of theft , but nothing would be done as when people have already brought up that they have done this it was squashed and brushed under the carpet.

they are protected by the system , that they control

and now we cant even call them out on it without as you say facing the consequences, that they set up to prevent people like me who help to generate the wealth they steal, from stopping them in their tracks.

all too convenient ,

so yeh they are dirty thieving #s , and I will face the consequences , and Ill keep calling them dirty thieving #s

if they arent stealing our wealth they are stealing our freedoms

Here is the flip side of what we can produce these days.

www.lbc.co.uk... fRzfrUM

See its not just Muslims that are all about the planning and the carrying out of terrorist acts.

Something seriously wrong with this world, or at least some of the people in it.

a reply to: andy06shake

No-one is denying that there are right-wing Nazi scumbags who spread evil and sometimes plan to murder people in terror attacks.
But proportionally compared to Muslim extremists?
There's no comparison in numbers.

Pieces of # are pieces of # regardless of race, creed or ideology.

But all the 'whataboutism' regarding Muslim extremists and their seemingly endless stream of terrorist attacks is really wearing thin now.
Enough is enough.
We need to stop this before it consumes us.

I'm no Islamophobe - why do I feel I have to add that disclaimer? - but this cancer needs eradicating.

a reply to: Freeborn

I don't disagree.

Enough is indeed enough.

Now if only we could convince the crazy bastards of the world that.

Same ones who choose to wield which ever organised religious practice they subscribe to as a weapon, which is in this case is radicalised Muslims the nation might be a better, safer, friendlier, place to exist.

Thing is that don't seem to be happening.

And eradicating that kind of mind set seems to present a whole manner of other issues to contend with.

Maybe TPTB don't want to because at the end of the day it's a distraction?

a reply to: andy06shake

I agree the man is obviously a nutter, but how do we stop the nutters of this world?

a reply to: alandee

Well that's the trillion dollar question alandee.

I wish i had a viable response to offer.

a reply to: andy06shake

it would go against what many would agree is the right to life , but people with genes or probability of developing narcissistic behaviour theoretically could have gene therapy or , the pregnancy terminated
but its moral area , and people think its eugenics

I remember watching a mark passio video and he talks about this , he believes that we are crazy because we have been abandoned , anyway the crazy in us a result of some cosmic abandonment from our creators

thats an interesting sideline , but no great evidence to support it , but interesting

If we want to look at how we can make the world a better place and make it better for future generations
then we need to eliminate our tendencies for greed and material wealth , our crazy , and extreme violent behaviours.
Giving everyone food and shelter and education , basic needs is one thing, but that doesnt eliminate the people born with psychological issues.

Do we play god and eliminate bad genes from our gene pool , do we start a eugenics system
or would doing so cause problems further down the line
is having bad genes good for genetic competition

its a multi faceted issue and one I dont think humanity will solve quick enough
to me the system always seeks a balance , the system being the entire universe and beyond
so there will never be a Utopia to speak off as there always needs to be a negative to the positive

one thing we can do to stop most of the trauma is end the master slave system , where we all adhere to authority which claims to be just when in fact its horrific and causes endless suffering and is illusory

a reply to: sapien82

Its not that complicated sapien82.

To many have nots, far to few haves.

Fix the distribution of power and wealth across the planet and half of the problems people have with one another would disappear.

As to Eugenics, they have never stopped playing that game sapien82, it just went somewhat underground, changed form and shape.

The spirit of eugenics is still with us in todays information age, where birth control, intelligence tests, town planning, and immigration play there part.

There will never be a Utopia because imperfect animals like us do not wish to exist in a perfect world, it would simply be counterproductive as to how we exist, but that don't mean we should not strive towards at least a measure of equality for all.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Freeborn

I don't disagree.

Enough is indeed enough.

Now if only we could convince the crazy bastards of the world that.

Same ones who choose to wield which ever organised religious practice they subscribe to as a weapon, which is in this case is radicalised Muslims the nation might be a better, safer, friendlier, place to exist.

Thing is that don't seem to be happening.

And eradicating that kind of mind set seems to present a whole manner of other issues to contend with.

Maybe TPTB don't want to because at the end of the day it's a distraction?

So we need to convince radical Islamists to not kill us... yeah, that's a good idea.


How about we round them up and deport them? Much better.

a reply to: UKTruth

Should not have to convince anybody not to kill, that should be a given.

Weeding out the radical Islamists from the rest might be rather a complicated task all the same considering people of the Muslim persuasion comprises 15% of the entire population of the island.

And what do we do with extremists born here UKTruth, where is it we are supposed to deport them to?

What we need to convince people to do is play nice with one another, follow the laws of the land, and get on with there day without resorting to murder in the name of god.

a reply to: andy06shake

Unfortunately, I think it's a catch 22 because Islam isn't like Christianity. it's more than a religion it's a way of life that ultimately doesn't integrate with the western way of life. however, I'm against say locking them up indefinitely as over time opinions change and there's no saying that the way I think today would be classed as extreme in 20+ years, therefore, locking me up.
Really we need to question why this is happening. Also as a side note has anyone noticed that MP's and councilors are using this as a way to get what they want (making that town a city) I really despise how our ruling elite use things like this to get their own way.

Also another side note. 9 MP's have been killed in the last 200 years in the UK. that is 1 MP every 22 years on average yet we have had 2 in the space of 5 years, could this be more about how the lower and middle class are being treated by the upper class rather than terrorism as I would link the fact that over the last 10 years we have been made to pay more and more for their mistakes whilst they are telling us we are all in this together.

a reply to: slowie

Ive got plenty of pals that are Muslim slowie.

Grew up with them and went to both primary and secondary school together.

Was not much of a problem where integration was concerned in the 80s and 90s.

Most of them are just like you or i and pay lip service to religion whilst simply endeavouring to get on with there life's.

I stand and drink in pubs and clubs with people of the Muslim persuasion slowie.

They are not all religious lunatics pal.

Should also point out i dont necessarily disagree with what you are suggesting.

Its a doozy and a catch 22 situation to contend with if ever there was one.

a reply to: andy06shake

Sorry I should have made it more obvious that whilst I was referring to Islam as a whole there is a very small % who take it far enough that they use it as reasoning to attack and kill people.

I agree that most (especially 2nd generation) only identify as Muslim but don't live strictly by the way they are supposed to. just like I'm Christian but only go to church maybe 5 times a year.

the small % are the problem though and weeding them out is never gonna happen. just like we will never get rid of racists or homophobes, there's always gonna be some with either a screw loose or who have been let down by a society that they form opinions that don't reflect the wider population's reality.

a reply to: slowie

That "small %" are indeed most definitely a problem slowie.

And they do indeed deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Because if not all they will do is hurt innocent people.

Stands to reason really exactly because they have a screw lose and not in any sort of fixable manner for most.

If Lee Rigby being beheaded in the street couldn't change anything then nothing will.

The person from the 'uk council of muslims' (I forget what they call themselves) was wheeled out and just said something like "uhh.. yeah.. that was rather naughty."

If you think about it, the term 'radical muslim' is a compliment as they are following their book more stringently than all other so-called muslims.

They're only following orders.

a reply to: baggy7981

Well any road the murder of Lee Rigby perfectly highlights what we have to contend with.

And i tend to agree that radicalised Muslims would indeed see calling them such as a compliment.

Because just like with any other xenophobic religious maniacs it sets them apart and above the rest.

After all these type of people have to think they are special as it makes them feel important.

originally posted by: baggy7981
If Lee Rigby being beheaded in the street couldn't change anything then nothing will.

The person from the 'uk council of muslims' (I forget what they call themselves) was wheeled out and just said something like "uhh.. yeah.. that was rather naughty."

If you think about it, the term 'radical muslim' is a compliment as they are following their book more stringently than all other so-called muslims.

They're only following orders.

What was actually said.

Muslim Council of Britain secretary general Farooq Murad said the killing of soldier Lee Rigby was "a dishonourable act," adding: "No cause justifies cold-blooded murder."

Mr Murad said: "The murder of Drummer Lee Rigby was truly a barbaric act.

Muslim communities then, as now, were united in their condemnation of this crime."

Maybe you have an alternative quote you can provide?

a reply to: ScepticScot

"The Muslim Council of Britain sends its deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Sir David Amess MP, who was brutally murdered today in the course of performing his duties as an MP."

That's the quote/statement.

mcb.org.uk...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ScepticScot

"The Muslim Council of Britain sends its deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Sir David Amess MP, who was brutally murdered today in the course of performing his duties as an MP."

That's the quote/statement.

mcb.org.uk...

So 'brutally murdered' rather than 'rather naughty'.