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Losing friends to covid

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posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 05:49 PM
Hey I know the title might be misleading, I have not had any of my friends pass away to covid. (knock on wood) I have Loss freinds to covid as far as interactions and just general hanging out and communicating.

One friend of mine I loss about five months ago. We kind of had a slow burn of toxicity with our communication and lack of hangouts. The stem of the problem I would find out near the end our friendship was disagreement on covid. Now we had been friends before hand and able to discuss politics and social issues with one another without getting upset or angry. ( we both have had backgrounds in communication) TO make a long story short I was upset with him for not being 100% honest with me about an issue, Because he said "he couldnt trust me because of how I view covid." I said Look if we can;t be honest with one another we can;t be friends.

Now just recently my Uncle sent me a text message that has me concerned. Agaiin same situation with my friend. only thing different is My uncle and I have ben having disucssions for a decade plus. So me and him are used to having political discussions where we disagree. here is the text "No. there is no agreement. Your ability to ignoreeverything that has happened over the last year and a half tells me that ther is no comon ground that willl allow us to have a reasonable discussion." when I read that I was shocked. my actual response was " I thought we were having a resonable discussion.

losing my friend is one thing but I hold special value on having discussions with my Uncle, I am hopeful that he will respond to me, as this happened yesterday. but I just don't get it, how is this issue so toxic and emotional for people then other issues. has anyone else lost freinds over this issue?/

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 05:55 PM
Sorry man, that sucks.

Fortunately all in my circle are ok with not always agreeing. I have friends of different beliefs, be it politics, or the vid, we manage to not get too bent out of shape over any of it.

People need to value their friends and family, over their opinions

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 05:59 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

It makes me sad how many people are so scared that those close to them, family members and lifelong friends are somehow now not only untrustworthy but also ridden with disease because they have chosen not to go along with science that has been debatable at best. To the point that they literally don't want to interact with you because you are a disease carrier now.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:00 PM
The jab is a private and personal decision a friend should respect that, be you for or against to put the opinions of a bunch of wankers on social media or mainstream media ahead of a friend says maybe they're not as good a friend as you thought

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:01 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

Personally, I wouldn't consider either of those to be an actual 'loss'.

If they're so closed-minded that they can't even take the time to consider an opposing viewpoint on the subject, then do you really want to continue wasting your own time sharing your viewpoint with them?

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:06 PM
We are in a time when deceits and deceptions are being formed everywhere, and those with zero spiritual sensitivity or a care about themselves except just for their own material lives will be acting in the way you describe.

You have to decide how best for you to deal with people on this new bizarre social paradigm construct that is happening.

You probably won't be able to get through even simple things of world issues with spiritually compromised people who care only about the material world and their immediate environment and the selfish way they view it.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:08 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

Political banter has brought a lot of people closer together and it's starting to become too much for some people to the point they'd rather just go I guess cold turkey, this is the climate of debate and civil discussion now, and it's frightening.

It's sort of like your old drinking buddies, you only got together to, well, drink. And once you decide to cut back, or quit, you have nothing really in common anymore, and you have to leave that group behind.

I'm not sure what your views on Covid are, but if you're questioning the whole 'situation' we are all in, you are in good faith from my perspective, it's better to be skeptical of this sort of stuff than just blindly jump into it.
At the same time tho, being a little over the top skeptical can be a bad thing, and perhaps you need to take some time and sit back and think about what you have said in the past and reflect on it, I too have been caught many times doing exactly that on a lot of subjects, and it was only because of the people who disagreed with me and made me think deeper, if you dig deeper you will either fortify your beliefs or come to a sobering reality, but you need to accept failure sometimes instead of pursuing that "AHA GOT YA" moment.
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posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:21 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

I am hearing this more frequently. Reports of friends and family members, having personality changes after getting the vaccine, to the point that they are completely shutting themselves off. I think something else is going on, and it may be due more to fear and societal pressures than anything else.

I have a family member that is having this problem, to the point that he fears his wife will divorce him. She locks herself in her room and has little conversation with her husband and her two sons that are refusing the vaccine.

They are tying to be tolerant and give her space so she won't feel like she is out numbered, but she is aloof, and shows no interest when they try to include her in family activities.

I have quite a few friends and other relatives, that I have not seen displaying that behavior, but the group I socialize with is more communal. We are accepting and diverse, so we look for commonality, not differences.

Family and community divide is a major part of the game plan. We can't let it happen.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:28 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

I pity those who allow fear to guide them. When you do that, you have to keep ahold onto fear or else you get lost.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:36 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher
Your uncle and friend have a sickness...they've been brainwashed. Love them, regardless...and give them their space until they eventually come to their senses again.

Say nothing you'll regret.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 06:38 PM
Imagine being so pathetically weak and gutless that you’d stop talking to someone who wouldn’t get the flu shot, or who didn’t believe ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of EVERY WORD spoken by a provably-corrupt mainstream media

It’s funny that those who are so pathetically weak and gutless ALL seem to be on one side of the political spectrum
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posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 07:00 PM
a reply to: IAMTAT

Right. Life's too short for conflicts. Avoid them and be happier.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 07:27 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

They are cowards to be so afraid of a virus that kills less than 1% of people that catch it.
I am going to take a guess and say that they are Liberals, would I be correct?
Because that is typical Liberal tactics if they cannot speak to someone because they hold a different viewpoint on something.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

Actually on the contrary, I've came very very close to losing two very good friends from, by all available evidence, the jab. Both of these people were otherwise healthy and in their 30 or 40. One ran marathons and was what I would consider extremely healthy. Within 3-6 week post jab, one had a massive heart attack and the other a slightly less massive although still heart attack. both had changed nothing in their normal routine or made any lifestyle changes. This was back in August, and thankfully they have since recovered, though not to full capacity yet. The first guy swears up and down that the vaccine had nothing to do with it, though the doctor nor anyone else could offer any other explanation. The second was hesitant from the beginning and is quite positive it was in some way shape or form caused by the jab.

I know this is only anecdotal, but I really believe it to be true.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 08:22 PM
Fitting as I was just reading proverbs! Sadly the indoctrination is real! a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 08:26 PM
a reply to: IAMTAT

Yes love them anyway, there is a high probability that they might not be around for too long. Like the ex, there were good times too.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 08:33 PM
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I think it depends on if you got vaccinated out of true fear or not.

I don't think I've changed much. I didn't care and I still don't.

posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 09:02 PM
a reply to: Chalcedony

This right here was the prime point of patient doctor confidentiality laws.. and why it's no one's business but your own your ailments and diseases.

Because of Discrimination, it use to just be jobs, government, housing etc that would discriminate based on disability.. and now they have managed to bring it all back and turn families against each other..

This is why it needs to be faught properly. That your healthcare treatment is no one else's business. You do NOT need to show proof of being vaxed.

Have fun with it..

When someone asks you, ask them for proof they were even born in the us and aren't illegal aliens. Then..

Turn around and demand a 5 forms to verify said person's identity, bills, dental records, finger prints, birth certificate, ss, and government ID. When they refuse to give those to you.

Say "Since you can't prove your identity to me in said forms, you can't fire me."

If they call "security" on you. Tell them that he/she is refusing to provide you proof of identity. That you have valid reason to believe that this person isn't who they said they are. Push the matter further and show up every day until they prove to you personal documents and health records proving they are themselves. They by law still have to pay you for ANY and all work you do.

Even if your escorted off property, everyone has the legal right to know who fired em. Otherwise any bunbun can walk into the office and fire everyone.

The reason is simple, of you have to have your health records for the world to see then they better damn we'll be qualified to see that. If said person shows you any proof of ID, turn around and tell them.

"That's funny, I don't see Doctor or Lawyer written anywhere on here. You have no legal right to discuss my health with me as long as it doesn't affect my performance. Even then should I choose to share you must by law make accomodations to support any handicap I get while being employed here." - Your health information is protected by laws. Throw the book at him(not literally). But then he won't be able to fire you for not discussing healthcare with him.

(Warning this will only work in states that do not follow the right to work.. sadly they can fire you for any/all reasons. But will need to be taken to court to prove healthcare discrimination, so do get it in writing)
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posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 09:07 PM
PTSD ... maybe not severe enough to be clinically diagnosed or force a person into depression or contemplate suicide; but every mental disorder has digress of severity and I think a lot of people are suffering a low level from of traumatic stress over Covid-19.

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posted on Oct, 7 2021 @ 09:21 PM
It's been a long two years struggle and I cut ties to most of my oldest friends. I don't know what happened. These were creative thinkers from the punk world, they'd lived on the streets, they rebelled and yet they adore Bonnie Henry and all she spouts to control our world. They seem to believe it all hook, line and sinker and because of that I just couldn't handle all the talk especially when they slammed me for asking if any of them had the same thoughts as I did and now with the vaccines it's getting downright nasty.

My brother said my mentioning this slippery slope may be like germany was "anti semitic".

My parent's don't want me in their home as I'm unvaccinated.

Odd thing is I'm good friends with a mom and daughter... Mom thinks I'm nuts for not getting the vax, daughter got vax thinks nothing is amiss yet thinks 911 was a conspiracy. I can have civil conversations with both of them despite my contrarian views. Why are some people capable of discussing it even if they disagree and others can't even think outside their box?

Other than that, yes I've lost almost everyone to covid.

I like the way you worded it.

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