It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

You've Lost Sight of the Esoterica

page: 1
9
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 07:15 PM
link   
I did not want to delve into this topic. I really didn't. I wanted to set this tone...come in here all hey guys, how's it hangin'. Cool. Laid back. Dropping a little bit of artifacts of mystery into a resilient community that holds up on its own and absolutely, positively does not get carried or swept away by currents and allows for things to speak a little bit of a puzzle in its own corner with smart but laid back people who analyze and say "well what about this?" with a kind of panache, a sort of student with the wayfarers who doesn't let the zombies of the apocalypse get to him too much while he's got his favorite tracks on repeat. I had a few things I wanted to post and let seed themselves among a rich and buoyant jelly of discussion supported by structured reasoning (but not so much as to break the cool, I mean, we don't really want em knowing we can reason in actuality!)
Something gnawed at me. It hurt my head. It was too much to let go. See, there's a biting cleaver at the heart of some of this that I just can't shake. It seems that some of you are trapped. You get up and post and maybe have the sense you've done some of the job or all of the job but it doesn't feel right. You've talked about Trump, how they ran him out of office. You talk about your lives, the mask mandate. You mention the left, how they've gone full bore insanity, not that I disagree. You talk about the genders: there are two, there are many, there's an ideology, it threatens the core of our security...there's an agenda, they want us all to be genderless walking automatons of an order of sorts, a kind of pink haired army of devil droids ready to shuttle their power folks to the highest levels of unreproachable authority. Something listess and meaningless.
You try your damnedest. You talk about "XY." You repeat Ben Shapiro. You get the sense of something queasy but you go on ahead. It's there. It's so hard to come up with those last needles in the haystack: the words to explain what you are feeling. See you didn't come to a website that gives insight about news of the wierd to talk about x and y. It knaws. Something is missing.
Let me try to break it down. See we know we are not carbon copies and that we are here on a mission. A sort of picking up of pieces with the sense of something "out there." We want so hard for the politics but we don't. We wrestle so, are the politics necessary, are they not really necessary? Should we shuttle back and forth tossing babies out of small bathwaters's and then wondering why there is a field of dead babies? (Ok that's grizzly but you get the gist.)
See you keep forgetting the spiritual glue, part of what keeps this whole thing together, part of what makes this more than a sheep slaughterhouse, part of what keeps this from being too much of a gattaca where you're switched between slots of fields labeled "human" because we're all just meat and who would give a damn anyway. ..
The spiritual, esoteric, anything other than what you're used to is hard to defend. You keep forgetting, and so does the damned Pope. See we are all of no gender. Let me explain. You know this and I know this, we know it already. Countless esoteric specialists, theorists and students have written treatises outlining the hermaphroditic nature, both in esoterics and in Christian theology. There is an essence that runs through us all. Scientists of the metaphysical mind talk about this essence. There is much written about the anima and the animus and so many primers on how to find this essence, one's introduction into the misty realm of that beyond the everyday nonsense.
Catholics and others used to specialize, when they still had spirit, in guarding the holy spirit. It is the logos that in their terms keeps us not as cattle, but children of God. It welcomes us (not to lament "oh the little children" but) as if we were children.
Therein lies a clue. It is not something that depletes. It does not argue. It is whole. We forget.
We are stuck with a Pope who in the face of this, seeks to understand climate change and preaches that the church should house the poor for a night. He rifles back and forth between making appearances and saying your occasional conservative thing. We are stuck with church members who most likely from what my mind can guess, talk about schedules, and when the children of the holy spirit seek shelter, not of house, but of spirit, they are met with list items. We are stuck with a horde of liberals who would at every turn read into the esoteric, a chance to excuse every silly want, every little aspect of a human little mind. But most of all we are stuck with you. You forget and oh you forget. You forget what it is to be a traveler upon this earth. And you fail. You fail to seek. You fail to defend. Please for God's sake. It's called the holy spirit damn it. DEFEND IT. Thank you. ...


edit on 29-9-2021 by TheReaversChain because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 09:30 PM
link   
The Holy Spirit, In esoteric dogmas... her name is Sophia.

That is wisdom lost.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess. Sorry.
edit on 29-9-2021 by madmac5150 because: I overuse contractions. It's what it's...



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 09:37 PM
link   

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 09:41 PM
link   
Let me ask you this how would you get back the sight of Esotrica?



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 09:50 PM
link   
a reply to: misterE12

I am glad you asked that because I can give you at least an opinion. But keep in mind, the general gist of what I meant at least is that people should not let all of these concerns let them lose sight. I do not "own" all concepts of the "esoteric" because if we are getting into it at that level, there are many schools of thought under that label.

My concern is that people allow these petty arguments of political details to get them swept up into forgetting to at least introduce something of a higher nature into the convo. Otherwise, we're cows. I framed it in the context of the church discussion as just a general guideline as to what I see occurring: an excessive dwelling upon the physical.

In order to know what specifically you mean, I'd ask you to narrow it down for me. Not to get overly religious, but have you any church education? How many different subjects have you studied? You dont have to list em all just give me a gist. ....



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 09:54 PM
link   

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:00 PM
link   

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.


Thank you. Yes, Sophia simply means wisdom. In gnosticism, however some routes have a story involving her as almost a person, if you remember her struggle with the snake yaldaboath (probably misspelling.) Many people need visual aids and stories make for things that people are used to. Some routes have you discussing things in essence with no mentions of figures, or angels or a sequence of events. Thank you for the recommends. I have come across the titles.

I do not inherently do away with the masculine, some do. I am not attempting to preach to these people. I don't convert.
edit on 29-9-2021 by TheReaversChain because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:00 PM
link   
a reply to: TheReaversChain

I have a OK church education, I've not studied to many subjects I'm not sure how I'd describe said subjects but they'd probably fall under the new age category. I see what you're getting at about the political arguments, I'd say alot of people are ruled by emotion or at least passionate about their political beliefs and I'd say most of the debates are people defending their beliefs and ways of life to others. When you get into that defensive position it's probably hard to add anything else to the conversation. Let's say me and you were in a political debate how would you add something of a higher nature to the conversation.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:08 PM
link   

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.


Thank you. Yes, Sophia simply means wisdom. In gnosticism, however some routes have a story involving her as almost a person, if you remember her struggle with the snake yaldaboath (probably misspelling.) Many people need visual aids and stories make for things that people are used to. Some routes have you discussing things in essence with no mentions of figures, or angels or a sequence of events. Thank you for the recommends. I have come across the titles.

I do not inherently do away with the masculine, some do. I am not attempting to preach to these people. I don't convert.


I also recommend "The Other Bible", also by Willis Barstone. Those two volumes host a wealth of information.

(No, I am not shamelessly plugging his books. Never met the guy. Not making a single cent for the recommendation.)



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:19 PM
link   

originally posted by: misterE12
a reply to: TheReaversChain

I have a OK church education, I've not studied to many subjects I'm not sure how I'd describe said subjects but they'd probably fall under the new age category. I see what you're getting at about the political arguments, I'd say alot of people are ruled by emotion or at least passionate about their political beliefs and I'd say most of the debates are people defending their beliefs and ways of life to others. When you get into that defensive position it's probably hard to add anything else to the conversation. Let's say me and you were in a political debate how would you add something of a higher nature to the conversation.


Thank you, good question. Sometimes things are as much a case of what you add as what you don't. I believe I have added something already, as many have been taught and taught things of this nature, and keep reducing things to the essence of the moment, to an extent it relies on a state of education already familiar with some, as opposed to some new flourishing and if that's a fault, my bad. I think that if you care enough not to let individuals reduce you, that is get you caught up into some what I have to say is really asinine particulars of discussion, than even in your retreat you are causing some part of the conversation to cease becoming fits of time consuming really childish level insults. You have not allowed them to steal your soul.

As far as introduction into a conversation, I'd suggest analyzing whether the person is worth it or not. I would give up on the preaching, and more see it as an attempt to reach something in someone that you know should not be left among the wreckage, the general prattle of society. Its again a hard question to answer because it is kind of broad, but summed up, if you were baiting, I'd tell you to flug off, if you were someone I thought was worthy of being reached out to, I might mildly correct something. I go with the approach that if we cared we'd be motivated to do so without being asked. You can judge me as being unworthy as well. Some people don't care. That's why I dont preach. But good God sometimes you need a reminder.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:23 PM
link   

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.


Thank you. Yes, Sophia simply means wisdom. In gnosticism, however some routes have a story involving her as almost a person, if you remember her struggle with the snake yaldaboath (probably misspelling.) Many people need visual aids and stories make for things that people are used to. Some routes have you discussing things in essence with no mentions of figures, or angels or a sequence of events. Thank you for the recommends. I have come across the titles.

I do not inherently do away with the masculine, some do. I am not attempting to preach to these people. I don't convert.


I also recommend "The Other Bible", also by Willis Barstone. Those two volumes host a wealth of information.

(No, I am not shamelessly plugging his books. Never met the guy. Not making a single cent for the recommendation.)


Nah, that's ok I recognize you're not flogging. I'm not sure of the particular bent of the author. So when I do research I will be objectively viewing it. Also, sorry if my post was uh, vague. You have to appreciate (or maybe you don't) my attempt to start a convo. I was attempting to say a whole lot at once. Thank you.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:35 PM
link   

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.


Thank you. Yes, Sophia simply means wisdom. In gnosticism, however some routes have a story involving her as almost a person, if you remember her struggle with the snake yaldaboath (probably misspelling.) Many people need visual aids and stories make for things that people are used to. Some routes have you discussing things in essence with no mentions of figures, or angels or a sequence of events. Thank you for the recommends. I have come across the titles.

I do not inherently do away with the masculine, some do. I am not attempting to preach to these people. I don't convert.


I also recommend "The Other Bible", also by Willis Barstone. Those two volumes host a wealth of information.

(No, I am not shamelessly plugging his books. Never met the guy. Not making a single cent for the recommendation.)


Nah, that's ok I recognize you're not flogging. I'm not sure of the particular bent of the author. So when I do research I will be objectively viewing it. Also, sorry if my post was uh, vague. You have to appreciate (or maybe you don't) my attempt to start a convo. I was attempting to say a whole lot at once. Thank you.


They are both well translated works. I hope you enjoy them.

Esoteric studies can lead you down a few rabbit holes. Excavate slowly.




posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:41 PM
link   
a reply to: misterE12

Before I just send you off (I'm not trying to come across as guy with the answers giving one liners on some telephone line) I'd ask you what motivates you to study in the first place. I have to be honest, I appreciate seeing curiosity in folks, but the internet is broad and wide, and I have serious faults. I am not a follower of new age per se, so I dont want to just send you off like some psychic hotline preacher, but I am aware most people have had run ins with it or its themes. Again I dont know your mind but it is good you express curiosity into the things around you.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:42 PM
link   

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain

originally posted by: madmac5150
In esoteric dogmas, her name is Sophia.

The rest of the OP is just a rambling mess.


Umm. That's not very cooperative. And happens to be your opinion.

In only a few esoteric "dogmas" is there concern with Sophia as a person. Your reply was actually kind of devoid, but if this is your particular practice, your route, then so be it. Let's try not to be so opinionated. I'm not looking for a brawl. Thanks.


In Gnostic belief, Sophia is not a person. She was never described as a person. "Sophia" is beyond our understanding.

If it weren't for the early Catholic Church, she would be regarded as the mother of creation. The term "Holy Spirit" is a masculine term... it allowed church (AKA the State) control of the narrative.

I recommend reading "The Pistus Sophia", as well as "The Gnostic Bible" by Willis Barnstone.


Thank you. Yes, Sophia simply means wisdom. In gnosticism, however some routes have a story involving her as almost a person, if you remember her struggle with the snake yaldaboath (probably misspelling.) Many people need visual aids and stories make for things that people are used to. Some routes have you discussing things in essence with no mentions of figures, or angels or a sequence of events. Thank you for the recommends. I have come across the titles.

I do not inherently do away with the masculine, some do. I am not attempting to preach to these people. I don't convert.


I also recommend "The Other Bible", also by Willis Barstone. Those two volumes host a wealth of information.

(No, I am not shamelessly plugging his books. Never met the guy. Not making a single cent for the recommendation.)


Nah, that's ok I recognize you're not flogging. I'm not sure of the particular bent of the author. So when I do research I will be objectively viewing it. Also, sorry if my post was uh, vague. You have to appreciate (or maybe you don't) my attempt to start a convo. I was attempting to say a whole lot at once. Thank you.


They are both well translated works. I hope you enjoy them.

Esoteric studies can lead you down a few rabbit holes. Excavate slowly.






I'm a hermeticist. I believe I'm aware. Thank you.





posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:43 PM
link   
a reply to: madmac5150

Oh you thought I was fresh and green. I'm male and I mentioned Christian thought. How sweet of you.



Be off!-

edit on 29-9-2021 by TheReaversChain because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:46 PM
link   
a reply to: TheReaversChain


I know, I'm wandering into something I shouldn't, she might snag me from behind. Dang me and this "I know enough" business. You're right. I'm wandering and I dont know #. I'm trying my best to be humble.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:50 PM
link   
Anyways thanks all for the discussion. I'll try to get on things while I'm working on something here. ..two things at once, let's see. ..



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:51 PM
link   
a reply to: TheReaversChain

Well I worked with a guy who was really into that stuff and I just had to look into it to figure out what he was talking about sometimes so I did some research on what he was talking about. I'd say curiosity is my motivation.



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:51 PM
link   

originally posted by: TheReaversChain
a reply to: madmac5150

Oh you thought I was fresh and green. I'm male and I mentioned Christian thought. How sweet of you.



Be off!-


Ummmm... what?

Seriously... what?



posted on Sep, 29 2021 @ 10:56 PM
link   

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: TheReaversChain
a reply to: madmac5150

Oh you thought I was fresh and green. I'm male and I mentioned Christian thought. How sweet of you.



Be off!-


Ummmm... what?

Seriously... what?




Dont know what you mean by what, but again that seems to be coming from an opinionated place? "What?" as in "hurr hurr, you're crazy?"

Keep in mind we are all a bunch of minds on the internet. I cant read yours, and I dont automatically assume you to be above me, so nice try if that's what that was. To provoke more discussion, how about asking me, in a productive fashion, what I meant. I will then reply as to whether I thought I misread you. Not trying to be smarmy. Ok so maybe I was. My bad.




top topics



 
9
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join