FDA panel votes against COVID-19 booster recommendation

a reply to: carewemust

Yep I know, wait when it comes down to kick the working class in their arses, because its started already, inflation is going to get worst.

But is ok, they are taxing the rich, but the rich corporations will just pass the bill to the consumer as usual.

People that support the Democrats are going to get it very soon.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
It's interesting that the FDA all of a sudden has credibility, when clearly to many here, it did not.

I always find it funny that with most here, that when you agree with the ruling/finding/decision, well then we can trust it. Otherwise, they are a bunch of government hacks.

I don't see how you can not trust them, and in a split second, you can.

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

So you are saying you trust the FDA and the info they distribute to the public?

a reply to: ColoradoTemplar

I for one remain very skeptical . I do not trust the FDA, CDC , WHO etc at all . All tentacles of the same beast: big pharma.

Biden will override them. The FDA will ignore the panels suggestion. Remember it is not science to have a bunch of experts examining real evidence and ignore propaganda and profits. The FDA will probably approve it for everyone.

a reply to: marg6043

I know one doesn't exist, but I'd like to see a survey of what percentage of Republicans are vaccinated, vs. what percentage of Blacks are vaccinated.

Don "girly-man" Lemon on CNN says Republicans are the worst offenders of avoiding the vaccinations.


I think it's the Black population.

Don is one of those people who would make the world a better place by leaving.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Would be nice to have seen what their recommendation would have been on the vaccine originally, but the FDA did not ask them then.

Actually, they did.
For the original EUAs:
Pfizer
Moderna


And for a third dose for some.
3rd Dose

This authorization of a third dose for immunocompromised individuals is separate and distinct from the booster dose reviewed by VRBPAC today. The third dose for immunocompromised individuals is meant to address the fact that these individuals sometimes do not build enough protection after two doses of the vaccine. In contrast, the booster dose recommended today by VRBPAC for EUA refers to an additional dose of the vaccine that is given to those who have built enough protection after the primary two-dose vaccination series, but may have decreased protection over time due to waning of immunity.

But, if you aren't vaccinated it's not really a concern of yours anyway. Is it?

Odd...still not seeing the one for licensing and approval....can you direct me specifically to that one?

www.youtube.com...
At 4:19:44 the doctor on the panel tells us that the fact that they don’t have enough data to tell the hesitant they are wrong “should terrify us all.” That’s just some doctor on the FDA panel, so he probably eats horse paste or something.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
It's interesting that the FDA all of a sudden has credibility, when clearly to many here, it did not.

I always find it funny that with most here, that when you agree with the ruling/finding/decision, well then we can trust it. Otherwise, they are a bunch of government hacks.

I don't see how you can not trust them, and in a split second, you can.

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

So you are saying you trust the FDA and the info they distribute to the public?

a reply to: ColoradoTemplar

You are a troll.

This was what's said :

So maybe finally there are a few people in the FDA that are seeing the data and having 2nd doubts about the vaccine all together:

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Oh trust me I don't trust or put faith in FDA as far as i can throw them. That goes for the CDC as well these people showed who they finally are this past year. I personally don't care if they apologize for this whole mess and say they were lying. I still don't trust them and never will.

a reply to: Mandroid7

This is what the other side loves doing, intimidate, call out, then when you fight back, verbally abuse you, and so on. I am so glad people on this baod don't stand for this, this person should just go join some alt-left group, so they can all be miserable together. LOL

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Im sure you got trashed rightfully so for that remark. Im sure you point out the real hypocrisy going on.

It's not hypocrisy when you make up the words and narrative that was never said.

a reply to: carewemust

That crap of bad tabloids news is going to get his time, he thinks that been stupid on national TV is getting him the ratings.

I guess he think he will do a great Democrat socialist candidate.

Pfizer booster costs 40 bucks. Too expensive for me. Plus it's not effective against mu. Only about 40% effective.

The majority on the panel doing damage control because they don't want to hang with the rest?

originally posted by: Phoenix
The majority on the panel doing damage control because they don't want to hang with the rest?

You know the number of Vaccine-caused and Vaccine-related illnesses must be huge, for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to vote against the wishes of powerful entities like;

1. Moderna
2. Pfizer
3. Johnson & Johnson
4. The American Medical Association
5. The American Hospital Association
6. Anthony Fauci
7. Joseph R. Biden
8. Democrats in Congress
9. Democrats in the News Media
10. And more...

Let's see if the FDA (and the World Health Organization) SCIENCE BASED recommendation to NOT require Booster Shots for healthy people under age 65, prevails inside the Biden White House.

Or if President Biden will use another Emergency Order to force Covid-19 Booster Shots on over 120 million Americans, like he is doing with the administering of initial Vaccine drug injections.

Fingers Crossed that the FDA Prevails!

a reply to: MiddleInsite

You are mistaking relief at a correct scientific decision for trust and credibility.

Old say even a broken clock is right twice a day.

a reply to: ColoradoTemplar
18 to 2. Says enough to me. The whole vaccine push was a mistake. After 6 months Pfizer you are no better of than someone who is not vaccinated. Ask Israël. And still Biden pushes the unvaccinated. What is wrong with him?

One of the reasons the panel wouldn't recommend boosters is that they are well aware of the myocarditis issue.

No answer on when the side effect goes away.

The committee chair asked when the side effect ceased to be a problem because it is known that the risk of myocarditis, especially in young males, is more than the risk to them of getting actual COVID. Here's the answer the presenter gave the panel:

“If you look at the healthcare claims data, you see that there is evidence of some attributable risk at all age groups. Although, the older you get, the higher the risk of complications from COVID that offset the risk of myocarditis. So, when you look at the balances of risk versus benefit, what we really start to see is risk of myocarditis being higher [than COVID-19] is males under age 40.”

So basically, he's admitting that for anyone under 40, the risk to you of getting myocarditis from the shot is likely higher than your risks from actual COVID unless you already have underlying health issues that complicate things.

The actual incidence of the complication in question works out to be roughly 1:5,000 in the US, 1:6,000 in Israel.

Not only that, but the presenter admitted they were pushing for the universal booster based on about 1 month of data pulled from Israel in mainly people over 60.

a reply to: ketsuko

The studies relied on to authorize these vaccines are crap, period.

I'm concerned that studies on the effects of the spike protein on a child's thymus won't happen before they authorize the vaccine for pre-pubescent children.

If it does damage the thymus, it may destroy the one thing that seems to protect children from severe Covid.

The thymus is a largely neglected organ but plays a significant role in the regulation of adaptive immune responses. On why children are not being affected severely as compared to adults, the Indian Academy of Pediatrics (IAP) explained that children have been relatively less affected so far due to several factors. The most important reason is the less expression of specific receptors to which this virus binds to enter the host and also their immune system. A very small percentage of infected children may develop moderate-severe disease. If there is a massive increase in the overall numbers of infected individuals, a larger number of children with moderate-severe disease may be seen. Almost 90 per cent of infections in children are mild/asymptomatic. Therefore, the incidence of severe disease is not high in children.

The thymus is key in helping children to fight the pandemic, according to studies. Thymus gland plays critical role as an immune and endocrine gland, and its activity changes with progress of age, so its hormones and immune cytokines change according the age phase and against the antigen attacked. Shrinking of the thymus takes place with age. For Glazer and Ko,(2020), the thymus is unique in that it reaches maturity in utero and is at its largest and most active in children. For instance, at puberty, it slowly becomes less active, and the glandular tissue begins to shrink. This continues throughout a person's life. By the time one gets to their mid-60s, the thymus is mostly inactive. By mid-70s, the gland is replaced with fat. This reduction in thymus function is believed to be one of the reasons why in later years, older adults become more susceptible to disease and infection.

They've found spike protein damage in every major organ in post-vaccine autopsies. Will it damage the thymus, too? It's not a concern for adults but it is for young people, especially children.

The thymus is located right in front of the heart.

Also, will there be studies on what happens when hundreds of children are vaccinated and shedding spike proteins in a school?

If there are studies on any of this, I suspect they happen after damage has been done.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

My husband works in the industry and he thinks approving a booster for everyone based on one month of data in people over 60 is lunacy which is why the vote went 16 to 2, and he questions the 2 and what they were thinking.

We're also both opposed to the idea of our son getting the shots until he's older, and it won't happen until there is a serious discussion with our doctor because our my husband has a congenital heart defect which may or may not be an issue for kiddo and kiddo is extremely healthy and in shape, much more so than most every other kid his age. He should be about last in line to need a shot.

originally posted by: zandraAfter 6 months Pfizer you are no better of than someone who is not vaccinated.

i would venture that they are far, far worse off. time wil tell.