a reply to: JIMC5499
First, my apologizes to the thread for continuing with this stream of the conversation. This thread after all is about Rittenhouse.
But back to this conversation.
Let’s take a look at the link you provided.
This list was read into the congressional record by Syd Herlong, a Democrat Congressman and ardent anti-communist at the request of one Patricia
Nordman. I could find no more information on her.
The list that she requested came from the book ‘’"The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Skousen was a hardline anti-communist who wrote many books about how communism was a threat to western civilization.
I ask you, what else are we to expect from two hardline anti-communists other than anti-communist statements. Propaganda maybe?
But let’s look at that list of communist goals.
1U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
It was less than 20 years since the bombing of Japan. Both the US and the USSR had developed atomic bombs and for the first time in human history, the
people of this planet were faced with the threat that we ourselves might blow the whole freeking place to bits. That our warring could easily become
the end of us all.
We had gone from the atomic bomb to the hydrogen bomb by 55, a weapon that was up to 1000 times more destructive than those dropped on Japan. No
wonder people wanted to find a way to steer clear of that possiblity.
So this was not so much a ‘’communist goal’’ as it was a goal for any rational mind.
Do you have another solution that might have been chosen to avert that atomic wasr?
22. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
Here we again see concerns over atomic war, but this time stated as a weakness. Rather than considering it as peaceful co-existence, it is couched in
such a way as to make it seem that to find ways to avert that potential war was to give into communism. That sounds like propaganda to me. It merely
twisted the first goal.
3Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Well I don’t know about you, but I never heard of this being espoused by anyone at that time or since as a realistic avenue to avert that atomic
war. Again, more propaganda by an anti-communist author.
After WW11 the only industrial nation with it’s manufacturing still in tact was the US. US industry had at it’s finger tips the means to profit
from the misfortune of the entire world. But for US manufacturers to profit from world wide distribution of it’s products, those nations would have
to be able to not only trade with the US, but pay for the products that US companies wanted to sell around the world. Hence, promote free trade,
promote loans, promote and all countries into the world market that the US controlled, including communist countries. That’s not communism at work,
that’s good old western capitalism.
9Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations
are in progress.
Here, is an overture to peace, not communist take over of the US. Suspend atomic testing as long as we are discussing how to stop the proliferation of
atomic weapons. We already had enough bombs and missiles to blow the world apart.
10 and on
Having looked at the above from a realistic perspective of averting an atomic disaster rather than the capitulation to communism.
Bascially the rest of the list reads like a bible for modern conservative fears. Yet for the most part those concerns on that list need behind them
orchestration from a centralized communist regime. When this was written it was aimed at the USSR, but that has not been a communist country for how
long now? Thirty years?
Are we to believe that even though Russia is no longer communist, that they are the centralized power behind the agenda laid out in that list. Maybe
But is China really communist either? Seems to me that rather than being communist, it is one huge corporation, capitalist corporation, with one
supreme leader and a board of directors ruling the whole shebang.
However, if I am not mistaken, your premise is that the centralized orchestrate r of the communist agenda today is the educational system. Which of
course is run by the dreaded left wing Democrats. Yes, I saw point 15 that mentions taking control of at least one political party. I get the concern
here because it would seem that the other party has almost been lost to the same supposed agenda.. Until Trump came along.
MY question to that is just how did conservatives let this happen. How if it was all so clearly laid out, did conservatives lose control? Back when
communism and socialism were still being controlled by the demon USSR, how is it that conservative peoples let it happen. Why were they not organizing
to stop it. This would have me believe that they lost in the schools, they lost in the media, they lost in the movie houses and tv boxes and just
about every other avenue of the US’s advancing culture.
How did this nightmare scenario come to be?
My quick answer? Because it was aimed at the wrong enemy. To me, a better enemy to focus on is the advancing corporate agenda. Yes, that very agenda
that was the real engine behind those points 4-5-6-7-8-. American corporations that after enough time became international corporations with off
shoots all across the globe. Setting up shell companies and making deals with foreign companies working in tandem with their profit machine.
I see little difference between the world that is espoused to be the communist goals and those goals that are built into the corporate agenda of the
west, and of course now, east as well.
I think we should stop calling this buggabo direction in which we are headed as communism/socialism and call it what it really is, a feudal world
being fostered by the world corporate system. And yes, I also saw point 37. Infiltrate and control big business. Ha, that’s a good one. Big
Business beat the crap out of communism and now lets everyone call the social products of corporate authoritarianism communism which it is not. It’s
world domination by corporate control, the last and final outcome of capitalism.
Now it’s a feudal world we have coming our way not a communist world.