Narrative Nuked: Covid Hospitalizations

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I'm pointing out that data indicate that the vast majority of hospitalizations due to COVID (as opposed to hospitalizations with COVID) in Pennsylvania (at least) occur among those who are not vaccinated.

Right. That information must be extremely true and above reproach.

I mean if you get vaccinated you cant catch covid and dont have to wear a mask. Wait the science has changed! It has evolved! Now you can get covid so you need to wear a mask! Wait it changed again! Science is always evolving! Now you can only only get light symptoms from covid when you catch it while vaccinated! Wait the science has changed again! Evolution everyone! Now only a very small amount of people will be vaccinated and have to be hospitalized (dont look at Israel! It's fake news that they have any fully vaccinated people in the hospital from covid!)..... breakthrough cases everyone 1 in a trillion odds!

Did you read the OP at all or just chime in with the usual misdirection / propaganda?

The article clearly states that they found nearly 50% of the cases to be incorrectly designated for covid.

Your article is nonsense. Anyone who believes its 95% unvaccinated people is beyond dumb. Given the already high vaccination rate and low unvaccinated rate that would be huge numbers of unvaccinated people in the hospital. Many members have given anecdotal observations that they know next to noone that is unvaccinated and hospitalized. Yes, it is anecdotal, but if the hospitalization rate was that high - 95% unvaccinated and enough hospitalizations to overwhelm the system - everyone would know someone unvaccinated and hospitalized. See how easy to is to tell when a story is not credible?

OP - good article. Great find and it has been blatantly obvious to all non-communist boot lickers for months. Still good to see some of the mainstream starting to discuss it. Must mean they are getting ready to push ahead with their agenda. Always starts with little info drops like this.



a reply to: Phage

No. You are not. You are misdirecting to nonsense in an attempt to discredit the original article.

See his article is nonsense because your even more true article is the real truth. Even though your article and numbers clearly make no sense while his is perfectly digestible and makes perfect sense.

Just your usual nonsense.

a reply to: Phage

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

If it is not about the Covid, then it has to be about the vaccines. Where I am they are engaged in strict elimination and have just about got it under control, but it begs the question of why to vaccinate the whole population, with something that lasts six months, for which there is no need.?

a reply to: Phage

Maybe that's in PA (at least). There 'ya go...the statistics are all over the field, depending who is reporting, how they are told to report, what area of the country they're in, etc. blah yada yada. We can't even get straight consistent "facts" out of the F character, the guy married to the person that runs the bioethics dept. at the NIH.

How come "essential workers" didn't get sick during the "outbreak"? And how is a vaccine that's 18 months late on the scene effective???

a reply to: Imperator2

Democrats treat "evolving" science like my kids treat Pokemon, you never know what they hell they are gonna say after they say its evolving. Thanks for making that obvious, and thanks for the laugh. You are 100% right.

a reply to: queenofswords

I live in Philadelphia, and I promise you they will not report statistics out of this city that conflict with anything the MSM says you are supposed to be thinking. The city government here worships all things left no matter how crazy.

originally posted by: DaBoogieMan
How come "essential workers" didn't get sick during the "outbreak"? And how is a vaccine that's 18 months late on the scene effective???

Not only that. Scientists are still trying to figure out why HOMELESS PEOPLE didn't contract Covid-19 at Epidemic levels within their close-quartered communities.

originally posted by: TrollMagnet
a reply to: queenofswords

I live in Philadelphia, and I promise you they will not report statistics out of this city that conflict with anything the MSM says you are supposed to be thinking. The city government here worships all things left no matter how crazy.

Same here in Chicago. The Mayor and her minions were openly cursing President Trump for pointing out that 80% of the murders in Chicago are of Black people, and 98% of them were killed by a Black person.

It's sad how callous LIBERALS have become. Blacks killing Blacks are OK in liberal-run cities. Mothers killing their unborn babies for convenience, ia OK in liberal-run cities.

This is what we have in the Carolinas.

Doctors and a Marketing Reps leaked zoom meeting on padding the covid patient numbers "to frighten people into getting vaccine".
Really strange time-line we are in.

Thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Imperator2

What a surprise, when you think the data supports your position it is accurate. When it doesn't, it's fake.


Did you bother to read the study that the article in the OP is about? Did you go to the source?

Prior to widespread vaccination, SARS-COV-2 cases were strongly correlated with hospitalizations, and both were reflective of COVID-19 disease burden and community risk. Since widespread vaccine availability, these metrics have become increasingly uncoupled, as reflected by the falling proportion of SARS-CoV-2 admissions with moderate-to-severe COVID-19. The uncoupling is more pronounced in fully vaccinated individuals, who continue to be strongly protected against severe disease.

Conclusions

In this large, national cohort of US Veteran patients, the proportion of hospitalizations due to moderate-to-severe COVID-19 decreased following vaccine availability. Consideration should be given to updating definition of COVID-19 hospitalizations to improve differentiation between hospitalization caused by COVID-19 and those associated with detection of SARS-CoV-2 through the addition of straightforward and objective measures of disease severity.

www.researchsquare.com...

the proportion of hospitalizations due to moderate-to-severe COVID-19 decreased following vaccine availability.

What do you think that means, exactly?

Consideration should be given to updating definition of COVID-19 hospitalizations to improve differentiation between hospitalization caused by COVID-19 and those associated with detection of SARS-CoV-2

When presented with data which does exactly that, guess what the reaction is?

a reply to: Edumakated

Well I guess this really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention. I thought it was common knowledge that if someone drove to a Covid testing site and ended up testing positive for Covid and was killed in a car accident on the drive home from the site, they would be counted as a Covid death, so if they don't die in the accident and are only hospitalized, why wouldn't they be counted as a Covid hospitalization?

But seriously, this is exactly why every statistic we are given about Covid is either a straight up lie or intentionally misleading. Nothing we have been told has been accurate or truthful right from the beginning, so why would they now start telling the truth?

originally posted by: Phage
As the article in Atlantic points out, VA hospitals are not necessarily representative of the US population. For several reasons.

Here's some data which may be more so.

Pennsylvania:

"95 percent of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people, according to the state health department news release."
Source

I hope not...or I wish it wasn't representative of hospital reporting and record keeping nationwide because, on Aug. 31, the Philadelphia Enquirer reported this...

Fractur ed record keeping leaves Philly hospitals unsure which patients are vaccinated

Since vaccines were rolled out to the public earlier this year, doctors at Einstein have reported patients who are “100% sure” they were vaccinated not showing up in PhilaVax, the city database. Another record showed a patient to have gotten first doses in January and then again in April.

“Once you start seeing things like that you really can’t rely on it that much,” said Steven Sivak, president of Einstein Physicians Philadelphia.

AND

For the city’s physicians, the complicated record system is one more hurdle in the effort to understand and treat patients amid another surge in COVID-19 cases.

“If it were to work perfectly it would be great,” Sivak said. “I was hoping I would finally have a source of truth for who got the vaccine and who didn’t.”

Philly hospitals handle the most cases in the state and I haven't even looked at data quality for the rest of the state. The data used in your article relied, in part, on hospital surveys created from their *unreliable* records and PhilaVax. It also included cases going back to January 1 when nearly no one was vaccinated, which doesn't make much sense either.

Surveys from 45% of PA hospitals and 31% of acute care hospitals were excluded in this report, yet 100% of Pennsylvania Covid cases were used to calculate incidence rate for the unvaccinated. Meanwhile the vaccinated incidence rate was calculated using only the data from those hospital surveys that were included in the report.

If there were patients that claimed to be vaccinated but couldn't be verified, they were counted as 'not fully vaccinated' and rolled in with the 'Unvaccinated' cases/deaths.

Verifying deaths is another data-quality issue due to delays in reporting, errors in names and DOB that cause mismatches with the vaccination records, and out of state cases and vaccinations.

PA DOH

It's all very biased and I can't say I find much value in that report -- not without viewing the hospital surveys and data. The PA Department of Health doesn't provide links to any of that though.

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But, back to your point that it may perhaps be more representative of the nation...

Temple and Einstein shared patient lists with the city to confirm their vaccination status, which allows the hospitals to import the city’s vaccination information directly into their internal medical records systems. The reconciliation is an arduous process that can take two weeks, though future searches will take less time, Garrow said.

That still doesn’t compensate for the overall lack of comprehensive record keeping nationally, he said.

The CDC issued a notice of intent at the end of June to hire seven contractors to modernize its vaccination record system and create a single gateway to access records for all Americans, but the city has received no notification of progress since, he said.

The CDC did not respond to requests for comment.

Yes...apparently fractured record keeping is a nationwide problem.

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ETA: On a related note, the unreliability of the data is the excuse they need to create a national database for vaccinations.

BUT....they also want everyone to trust the data in that report.

They can't have it both ways!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Liked I mentioned to Visited by them, little Jonny hacker will be eating all the databases he can find.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It also included cases going back to January 1 when nearly no one was vaccinated, which doesn't make much sense either.

Why not? If someone is not vaccinated and hospitalized, they are not vaccinated and hospitalized.

Surveys from 45% of PA hospitals and 31% of acute care hospitals were excluded in this report

The surveys include facilities totaling 80% of the beds in the state. Maybe there is a large difference in those other beds? Maybe enough to make up the difference in hospitalizations?

yet 100% of Pennsylvania Covid cases were used to calculate incidence rate for the unvaccinated.

We are talking about hospitalizations, not positive test results.

There are bound to be some discrepancies in large amounts of data. But do you really think that the numbers are off by a large enough amount to have a great effect on that 95% figure? It seems quite consistent with reports from other places in the country.

Yes...apparently fractured record keeping is a nationwide problem.

That is not exactly your source says, actually. It says the CDC sucks at timely compilation of data on a national basis. We know this.

Good on you for actually looking at the source. Sort of rare around here.

originally posted by: Phage
But do you really think that the numbers are off by a large enough amount affect that 95% figure?

Yes. Every data-quality issue I found is biased to prop up the vaccines.

That is not exactly your source says, actually. It says the CDC sucks at timely compilation of data on a national basis. We know this.

No, it says, there's an "overall lack of comprehensive record keeping nationally."

The rest of what you wrote requires me to overlook the poor quality of the data and I can't do that with the information provided in the report and without the surveys and raw data.

Good on you for actually looking at the source. Sort of rare around here.

Thanks, because it wasn't fun...lol.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I agree that raw data would be helpful.

a reply to: Phage

You’re becoming so predictable. One state is not respresentative of the US population so your proof is to name another state with conflicting information. Hypocricy personified, for someone with such a high opinion of their own intellect your true colours are beginning to show.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Since when did The Atlantic become a hotbed of horse paste licking, Trump supporting, science deniers?

this is high level sarcasm right there