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What if Eintein & Hawking Had been Murdered in the Womb Because of Their Illnesses?

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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
You know what's the most ironic part of this argument? It is how you leftists/pro-murder people seem to think that if you give each other stars that that means your argument wins...

Every single one of you is in fact continuing the work of nazis, and every single one of you would have followed hitler and his claims as well...

In fact, the nazis liberalized abortion and made it possible for all women, including minorities, to be able to murder their children if they could prove their children would be born with some defect. That proof only had to be showing someone in their family that had some form of defect.


Except the Nazi's are extreme right-wing.




One of the essays of a nazi, Ernst Rudin, published by Margaret Sanger. The main idol of you leftists, to this day... Ernst Rudin whom argued for the murder of children and adults in nazi Germany and whose work led to the murder of millions of people...




Sparta must be regarded as the first völkisch state. The exposure of the sick, weak, deformed children, in short, their destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more human than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject. Adolf Hitler

www.goodreads.com...

Keep on the good, in your minds, work of nazis people...


Nazi's ate food too.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Don't forget Nicola Tesla!

The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct, Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient.

www.pbs.org...



Again, show me where i or anyone else agreed with Tesla on eugenics?.. You are actually arguing against your own argument by mentioning Tesla's belief in eugenics...



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Show me where involuntary sterilization has anything to do with a woman choosing to abort and you might have a valid argument. But I doubt it.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:36 PM
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What if Hitler had been aborted?



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

Except the Nazi's are extreme right-wing.
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Riiiight... Because National SOCIALISM is rightwing... Heck, there is a National SOCIALIST branch named after Gandhi... I guess Gandhi must have been "extreme rightwing" huh?...




Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centers on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.

Federation of political and economical power and demonstrating a traditionalist reluctance towards the modernisation of technology and large scale industrialisation whilst emphasising self-employment and self-reliance are key features of Gandhian socialism.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee of the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and other party leaders incorporated Gandhian socialism as one of the concepts for the party
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en.wikipedia.org...

Let's see the belief of the so called "extreme rightwing nazis"... And let's see whom to this day argues like they did...


Sparta must be regarded as the first völkisch state. The exposure of the sick, weak, deformed children, in short, their destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more human than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject. Adolf Hitler

www.goodreads.com...

humm, wonder whom would argue that today... i guess right-wingers" huh?...

Let's see what more we can find...



Animal welfare in Nazi Germany
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There was widespread support for animal welfare in Nazi Germany[1] among the country's leadership. Adolf Hitler and his top officials took a variety of measures to ensure animals were protected.[2] Many Nazi leaders, including Hitler and Hermann Göring, were supporters of animal rights and conservation. Several Nazis were environmentalists, and species protection and animal welfare were significant issues in the Nazi regime.[3] Heinrich Himmler made an effort to ban the hunting of animals.[4] Göring was a professed animal lover and conservationist,[5] who, on instructions from Hitler, committed Germans who violated Nazi animal welfare laws to concentration camps. In his private diaries, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a vegetarian whose hatred of the Jewish and Christian religions in large part stemmed from the ethical distinction these faiths drew between the value of humans and the value of other animals; Goebbels also mentions that Hitler planned to ban slaughterhouses in the German Reich following the conclusion of World War II.
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en.wikipedia.org...

Oh boy, oh boy...more 'rightwing beliefs huh"?...


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The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

Wow...very rightwing huh?...

I guess your argument is that Ernst Rudin, and Margaret Sanger were right-wing huh?... Do rightwingers argue this today or does the left uses the same arguments of Margaret Sanger to this day?...



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
All you do is throwing red herrings to see if anything sticks.

YOU are the one here wanting government to tell people what to do with their lives.

YOU like the NAZI government want to tell people what type of medical decisions they can make.

YOU want government control over the people. Their is nothing more NAZI than that.

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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
What if Hitler had been aborted?


He allegedly self aborted very late term.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Show me where involuntary sterilization has anything to do with a woman choosing to abort and you might have a valid argument. But I doubt it.


But that was part of what your (the left) idol Margaret Sanger believed and stated. BTW, i didn't mention in specific anything about involuntary sterilization, but since you did...

Isn't Margaret Sanger the founder of Planned Parenthood which to this day has almost 80% of abortion clinics mostly in minority neighborhoods?...

Doesn't the left/the pro-murder crowd, agree to this day with Margaret Sanger and that she is an idol for all women today to look upon?...


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Sanger can be found praising German Eugenics programs that she inspired there are many publications that support the claim that Jim Crow Laws, Slavery, Native American Genocide and Sangers ideas inspired Adolf Hitler. He is actually documented on numerous occasions giving the head nod to America for their inhumane practices that he modeled Nazi Germany after. Here is an example of one source to uncover this truth “Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law” when Hitler was finally admonished in American media Sanger attempted to distance herself from the comments praising Nazi Germany. Fun fact Nazi Germany got it’s Eugenic ideas from the United States of America.(Click the underlined article to be directed to the original source)
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Thomas also quoted the eugenicist beliefs of former Planned Parenthood President Alan Guttmacher who wrote that “the quality of the parents must be taken into account,” including “[f]eeble-mindedness,” and that “it should be permissible to abort any pregnancy ... in which there is a strong probability of an abnormal or malformed infant.”
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constitutionjournal.com...



To give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.
g. to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.

Margaret Sanger

www.azquotes.com...

So right-wing... Right Phage?...









edit on 11-9-2021 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Bunch

Nope, all I am throwing are FACTS people like you want to ignore and dismiss...



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




But that was part of what your idol Margaret Sanger


No. She's not my idol. Neither is Tesla.

I don't go in much for idols.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
What if Hitler had been aborted?


Naa, no one can know whether a child will grow to become evil... Just like no one can know if a child born autistic, or with a defect such as a larger than normal head (like Einstein had) would not become a genius that would provide scientific discoveries that would change the world.

Or do you profess to have a time machine?


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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

No. She's not my idol. Neither is Tesla.

I don't go in much for idols.


I didn't write "your idol" meaning YOU in specific. I stated it in the context that she is the idol of the left/pro-abortion/pro-murder crowd to this day...



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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Not even John Lithgow?



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

John who?



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Bunch

Nope, all I am throwing are FACTS people like you want to ignore and dismiss...


The only fact you have presented was that NAZI government enacted laws that eliminated citizens rights. Something that you personally support when it aligns with your religious or moral principles. You think that governments stomping on women rights is a good thing. So in that you are aligned with the NAZI government.



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: Phage

(Sigh) Lord John Whorfin



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Some are even pro abortion AFTER the baby is born. After-birth abortion.... slate.com...


[W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk.


And

[I]n order for a harm to occur, it is necessary that someone is in the condition of experiencing that harm. If a potential person, like a fetus and a newborn, does not become an actual person, like you and us, then there is neither an actual nor a future person who can be harmed, which means that there is no harm at all. … In these cases, since non-persons have no moral rights to life, there are no reasons for banning after-birth abortions. … Indeed, however weak the interests of actual people can be, they will always trump the alleged interest of potential people to become actual ones, because this latter interest amounts to zero.


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“Actual people’s well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of,” they observe. Accordingly, “if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.” An after-birth abortion might be warranted by any “interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being”—including “the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption.”


Psychological distress from giving their child up for adoption but not from the after-birth abortion? Wow. Also the way they define a baby as "not an actual person" even AFTER birth is disgusting to me.
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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: Chalcedony

Some?... no, a lot of them. Peter Singer, a very famous far leftist philosopher, is among the many in the left whom have argued in favor of murdering the old, and certain other people. He has even admitted that abortion itself does leads to the argument in favor of murder/genocide of other people and children.

BTW, Peter Singer argues more for animal rights, like the nazis did, than human rights...

I made a thread about this some years back. But i have authored so many threads that I can't find it...

Anyway, even far leftist doctors argue in favor of after birth abortion, and the left/democrats are getting closer and closer to that argument. They already argue a woman should be able to murder their unborn child even the day the child is to be born... Like the evil witch of the West Hillary Clinton stated...


After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?
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Abstract

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call after-birth abortion (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.
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After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?





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posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Bunch


The only fact you have presented was that NAZI government enacted laws that eliminated citizens rights. Something that you personally support when it aligns with your religious or moral principles. You think that governments stomping on women rights is a good thing. So in that you are aligned with the NAZI government.


Wrong again... You are the one that argues in favor of the government dictating it's ok to murder certain humans...

My argument is that as there are laws that protect, or attempt to protect, the lives of some children and adults. There should be laws protecting the most innocent humans...

You, and those like you are the ones arguing in favor of government mandating the murder of certain humans you deem to be not worthy of life...

The people whom argue like you do ALL take your arguments from nazis...

"Unworthy to Live"



posted on Sep, 11 2021 @ 11:11 PM
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Neither of those disorders would have been detected in the womb, even with today's technology.

This thread is dumb. What source do you want to use to say when life begins?



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