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originally posted by: Skepticape
it’s your blaming of the child that is at fault, they are the definition of innocence
the woman's right to life as pregnancy complications could injure her, permanently change her physiology and possibly kill her.
Between 700-800 women in the US die per year during childbirth or from complications by the way.
It's interesting how - across all of these replies - 95% of them don't address male responsibility, or my original premise.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I have yet to see anyone deny male responsibility. Take your blinders off. Every time someone mentions contraception, they are talking make responsibility. Condoms? They don't fit women, dude. Need an anatomy lesson?
(Yes, I know they make female condoms now... and I also know they are more trouble than they are worth. I'm not talking about those.)
As to your ridiculous premise... all that did was let everyone know you hate men. The fact is that there are solutions for either party:
Men can use a condom; women can use the pill. Women also have additional options such as the morning after pill and others. All are reversible as simply as not taking the pill or pulling off a condom.
Men can have a vasectomy; women can have a hysterectomy. Both are only technically reversible; there is no guarantee. They are still considered permanent.
You are demanding that the most permanent option be used on men only, on all men, over some concern that somewhere, somehow, someone might be inconvenienced by a baby. You also completely ignore the potential birth control solutions that are easily available to anyone. Finally, you ignore the fact that the vast, vast majority of abortions are on women who consented to the encounter. If that's not the definition of ridiculous, I don't know what is.
The sad truth is you want sex without consequences, and you think contraception is too much trouble for your entitled little behind.
originally posted by: Littlebatman
originally posted by: poncho1982
That's right, because THAT is NOT their body.
Tell me how long a 7 week old fetus will live for outside of womb, and then explain to me your case for saying that the woman's body has no place in all this and she has no rights to what happens to her.
Given the monthly menstruation cycle, and the fact that it can be delayed due to all number of factors, most women don't even know they are pregnant until after 6 weeks.
Imagine your mother, sister, wife, girlfriend or daughter being raped by a stranger or family member, and finding out that the stress of the event itself isn't what has stopped her period, and instead that she's pregnant 7 weeks in. This law mandates she cannot abort the pregnancy, and every single day for the next 9 months, not only is she having to recover from the initial event, but she's also carrying the bastard child of the scumbag who did it to her as her entire physiology has to change to accommodate it in an endless reminder of the event.
You think that is just and right and fair?
If you do then you are one sick puppy.
No anatomy lesson needed. Such things fail occasionally. This law makes no allowance for it. Do you need a reality lesson?
Being a man, I'm fairly sure I don't hate myself, or others of my kind
...and all can fail, for one reason or another.
This from the person who is ignoring that taking a pregnancy to term is permanent
" the vast, vast majority of abortions are on women who consented to the encounter"
Which is by far the most misogynistic phrase in a thread full of misogyny. The man didn't consent then?
The sad truth here - evident from your post, from your first assumption about my gender, through your outright misogyny and back to your last assumption here - is you think that women are beneath you, and deserve all they get.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
Oh, no.... you don't get to swap goalposts whenever you want. That was in reference to the statement you made claiming that no one was expecting men to do their part. There are male contraceptives. Figure it out.
You just want to be forced to have a vasectomy. Riiiiight...
Which means one is still taking a risk. That's how life works.
It is impossible for something "taken to term" to be permanent. The very idea of taking something to term means following through until termination. One cannot terminate that which is permanent.
Stating that one person gave consent does not in any way imply the other did not. Neither does stating a fact imply misogyny. What exactly is misogynistic about consensual sex between two consenting adults?
Stop twisting my words. You're doing just fine trying to twist your own.
First of all, I never said you were female. I said you hated men. You assumed... incorrectly. Your screen name is littlebatman. It is quite possible for a person to hate themselves.
Second of all, disagreeing with some [SNIP] who cannot comprehend that the world does not work the way he thinks it should is not the definition of "misogynistic." Look it up.
Finally, stating that both people involved in a mutual action hold similar responsibilities is not considering one as "beneath me." As a matter of fact
I read some of your posts to my wife. Her response was along the lines of "Just who the HELL does this guy think he is?" Oh, and since you apparently are unable to comprehend past things directly pointed out to you (and sometimes not even then). my wife is a woman
She is also the proud mother of two great kids... and I am the father of two great kids. Both times, we were advised to abort. Thank God above we did not.
You seem to be ignorant of the fact that this forum, ATS, is a community of regular contributors. It is built around the idea of debate of ideas and factual information. Your posts have been ridiculously hateful, your logic is twisted, you continually make up what you think someone else said, and you berate anyone who states facts. You have pretty much already lost any respect from me, and I assume from a great many other members. Keep it up and you'll wind up being looked down upon yourself.
No goalposts moved by me.
the male side also needs to be regulated.
And all of the risk is bourne by.... the woman.
A newborn child is a permanent addition.
The physiological effects of maternity and childbirth are permanent.
The psychological scars of (potentially) being raped and forced to have your rapists/family members child are permanent.
Conversely, the psychological, financial and overall responsibility of accidentally conceiving are also permanent, not to mention with having to deal with moral, political and religious crusaders who will try and dictate what's best for you.
'Taken to term' in this case refers to the actual pregnancy. There is more to this whole subject than just 9 months.