A Question, Let loose the Prognosticators

originally posted by: TheMirrorSelf

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I think the world in five year's time will be in the midst of the Tribulation. I and Christians won't be going through it, but more can be found out about this time in the book of Revelation. (Located in The Bible.)

Ha! Fine answer (though I am not a pre-trib rapture guy).

I wasnt for a long time, but I found something in scripture that changed my mind.

There was a situation that occurred that involved one of the early churches, where Paul had to jump in and calm their fears. False teachers came into a church and taught that they had already begun the Tribulation. They also backed up this teaching with a confederate fake letter from Paul.

The reason they were petrified with fear, and not filled with joy, was because they knew that the Harpadzo- Snatching away- Blessed Hope-( rapture) was prior to the Tribulation, and they thought they had missed it. Paul jumped in with both feet and crushed their fears. He also clarified that that letter and those false teachers were not from him.

If the Blessed Hope was mid or post Trib, the people would have rejoiced at the false news, as they would have looked forward to being that much closer to departure.

I know all the arguments for mid and post Trib. Ive used them in the past. I dont anymore. My pops is a genius scientist with multiple titles, in multiple fields. Best of all, he is a Christian, and has been one for over 85 years. He does Bible study pretty much every day, and has done so since the US Army put him on a ship and sent him to do a land invasion of Japan. He most certainly took his Bible with him. God spared his life, when he was half way to Japan and the US dropped the bombs, that lead to their surrender.

originally posted by: sraven
it will look like the movie Idiocracy

Yep, it’s amazing how some older movies that were taking social trends to their extreme ends as an attempt at humor ended up being pretty accurate.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Classic! Thanks for the laugh...

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I think the world in five year's time will be in the midst of the Tribulation. I and Christians won't be going through it, but more can be found out about this time in the book of Revelation. (Located in The Bible.)

First the Bible says nothing about a Tribulation or a Rapture or any of it for that matter .

Secondly what if instead of thinking God is going to save us from this terrible Universe , We become apart of it ?

I'm tired of people thinking God is going to fix everything , it's a cop-out .

It most certainly does. It says plenty about both. How often do you read it? I read it daily, and try and catch 2-3 sermons a day. This is a very exciting time we live in.

My family member, Hagop Kazazayan Pasha (ruler), of the Ottoman empire, got the Sultan in a load of trouble, when he , on behalf of the Empire sold legal deeds of land to the Jews in Israel. Jews werent allowed to own land, and the Muslims freaked out. The Sultan backed my great Grandmother's uncle, and threatened to step down, if they attacked the Uncle over this. Remember in Ezekial- The valley of dry bones..... Can these dry bones live again? The Jews needed to own land for the bones and sinews to grow back together...

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

I can’t begin to speculate on what the world will look like five years from now.

Had anyone told me that we would need papers to travel and five year olds could choose to change genders I would have called them nuts.
Several city blocks of an American city were seized and nothing happened.
Schools that won’t fail students.
A military that’s more worried about diversity than the ability to steer a ship.

Ugh, I’m voting for giant meteor in 2024.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

I can’t begin to speculate on what the world will look like five years from now.

Had anyone told me that we would need papers to travel and five year olds could choose to change genders I would have called them nuts.
Several city blocks of an American city were seized and nothing happened.
Schools that won’t fail students.
A military that’s more worried about diversity than the ability to steer a ship.

Ugh, I’m voting for giant meteor in 2024.

Poster: Giant Meteor 2024
Hell, at least it makes sense

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

5 years is not that long. It used to not be that long, but now everyday is equal to what used to be years back in "the before time". The scale has, literally, gone hyperbolic.

Here is the crux for understanding the future for me Miss Self.

If we want to try to predict the future we have traditionally done it by projecting the trends of the past and present and through extrapolation, made those predictions on where we would be in the future.

All to often these predictions would be based on only one or two threads of historical projection, say population and food supplies. Back in the fifties of last century there was the combination of increasing capability of speed in transportation and the movement of people and food supplies etc. I remember my grandfather in those days showing me a hockey stick graph that spanned centuries of almost not increase in transportation speeds at all. Basically we could move one as fast as a horse could run. But the twentieth century changed all of that though automobiles and on up to super sonic transport. Hence the hockey stick graph.

Using this one example, I think that you are correct in the speed with which things are changing. We can find this hockey stick graph across so many lines of inquiry. Communications for instance. New used to take weeks and months to get from one local to another. Now it is instantaneous.

I have to laugh whenever I read some study or some graph that makes an attempt to say''if we continue on in this manner, THIS will be a problem 100 years from now. What a freeking joke.

There is no way to predict what outlier will come out of left field. What Black Swan that will jump out and say ""Ha, gottcha''. We just don't know.

A study of Complexity Theory suggests that things have become so interwoven and hence the complexity of developments based on that interwoveness are incalculable .

To me, the philosophies of liberal and conservative are useless. Thinking that conservatism is going to make things right again are blindness. Believing that Trump will pull it all together some how is almost religious. Believing that Biden and his old age liberal approach to all of it is also mindbogglingly naive.

When will the cities break down entirely. When will those people fleeing those cities flood out into the rural areas with mass pilgrimages of plunder and despair. Today? Tomorrow? In five years? Who knows.

When will all those people down south walk away from their homes with the developing hurricanes out of the gulf. Today? Tomorrow? 16 years ago when Katrina warned them all about what was coming their way? One might have predicted that millions of people would have decided to migrate back then, but they didn't.

Last week when Ida blew through I made a reply in a post along the lines of " the hurricane season labels each hurricane chronologically with a letter and hence a name. A season or two ago they ran out of letters and had to go to other classifications

This hurricane season isn't over and Ida begins with an I. I read this morning about hurricane Larry, that could surpass Ida in intensity.

They are hoping that this monster curves back out into the Atlantic instead of continuing on it's present course straight at the Atlantic seaboard. NY. Boston. DC? If predictions go wrong and some outlier effect moves it straight into the East Coast, we can take all our predictions about how things will look in the next five years and toss them all out the window.

weather.com...

props for the idiocracy reference...matter of fact, made my kid watch that a few weeks ago because that's essentially what i see all around me, now, not just in the near future.

originally posted by: Stevenmonet
If by the world you mean the planet, it will be much the same as it is today as for the people who live in this world. Not much different:

2 Timothy 3:1-9 (NLT) You should also know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control; they will be cruel and have no interest in what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act as if they are religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. You must stay away from people like that. 6 They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by many desires. 7 Such women are forever following new teachings, but they never understand the truth. 8 And these teachers fight the truth just as Jannes and Jambres fought against Moses. Their minds are depraved, and their faith is counterfeit. 9 But they won’t get away with this for long. Someday everyone will recognize what fools they are, just as happened with Jannes and Jambres.

I think the above accurately describes the nature/character of the globalists and their followers of scientism in this modern age.

thanks for bringing this to the front. i understand many ATS members don't believe in the bible, but if you look at this objectively, even for the sake of argument replace "God" with "rationality," we're basically almost there already.

as a note, for those who aren't aware (as the english language is living and IMO morphing at an accelerated rate thanks to the technological era)... the term "depraved minds" here used to be employed often to mean simply "warped thinking" (etymologically, "completely crooked")...i.e., irrational.

also, an edit from Thoreau.

"And I am sure that I never read any memorable news in a newspaper ... If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications? To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, [...] which I seriously think a ready wit might write a twelvemonth or twelve years beforehand with sufficient accuracy [...] and give us as good an idea of the exact state or ruin of things [...]. If one may judge who rarely looks into the newspapers, nothing new does ever happen in foreign parts, a French revolution not excepted."

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Great post! Of course, my question was rhetorical. It's actually impossible (minus some Divine intervention) to say what the world will look like in 5 years. I was simply seeking, as stated in title of the thread, prognostication on the query.

Your reply made me think of something, however. Remember when you'd watch a movie made in the 60s, sci-fi I mean. First of all, they always seemed obsessed (when the movie was future based) on setting the timeline at 2000. A date we've now long since passed. I noticed however that they were very extroverted in their thoughts about the future. They envisioned a world of flying cars and travel between planets. They saw technology as emerging as something outside the self, but you never really see something on film as modernly ubiquitous as the internet. Sort of this perspective of the introversion of technology back upon the self.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I think the world in five year's time will be in the midst of the Tribulation. I and Christians won't be going through it, but more can be found out about this time in the book of Revelation. (Located in The Bible.)

First the Bible says nothing about a Tribulation or a Rapture or any of it for that matter.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you, but you were absolutely wrong on every point, so I had to correct it. I didn't want somebody to come along that didn't know about it, and believing your misinformation.

So, Mr. Know-It-All, where do the terms "Rapture" and "Tribulation" really come from? Please enlighten us. And don't deflect or run away without answering it. You're on the spot here, so you'd better come through.

originally posted by: TheMirrorSelf

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I think the world in five year's time will be in the midst of the Tribulation. I and Christians won't be going through it, but more can be found out about this time in the book of Revelation. (Located in The Bible.)

I had to laugh, however, at how you ended your post with "found...in The Book of Revelation (Located in The Bible). I don't know if you were being funny or not, but still made me laugh. I'm pretty sure most people know where to find The Book of Revelation.

No, I was serious. I figured just in case there was somebody who didn't know about it, they would have a starting out point for reference. Better to be safe than sorry.

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

Yep, your notion of SF is spot on. I was an avid SF reader back in the day. My uncle had a full collection of Analog and Amazing Stories that got me hooked for decades. I read mostly ''speculative fiction'' rather than the laser, space war, SF. Fiction written by scientists who wrote based on their own fields of study. From the next ten to twenty year to the next thousand years. They were all way off the mark. Hits here and there but mostly way off the mark. I have to chuckle at folks who say Orwell or Wells or Huxley saw it all coming. No they didn't. They only had a glimpse. I've read thousands and thousands of SF novels and gave it up about ten years ago because things now are moving faster than any of them understood it might.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TheMirrorSelf

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I think the world in five year's time will be in the midst of the Tribulation. I and Christians won't be going through it, but more can be found out about this time in the book of Revelation. (Located in The Bible.)

I had to laugh, however, at how you ended your post with "found...in The Book of Revelation (Located in The Bible). I don't know if you were being funny or not, but still made me laugh. I'm pretty sure most people know where to find The Book of Revelation.

No, I was serious. I figured just in case there was somebody who didn't know about it, they would have a starting out point for reference. Better to be safe than sorry.

True dat, true dat...

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I still appreciate SF very much. My Dad always enjoyed SF so I think there's a certain sense of nostalgia in reading/watching, though yes, it fails typically to hit the mark. Though Arthur C. Clark is credited with inventing the communication satellite.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

where do the terms "Rapture" and "Tribulation" really come from?

Revelation 7:14
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

and Tribulation is mentioned again in Matthew .

Tribulation itself is just a word in common usage meaning great suffering .

People act as if there is a massive chapter talking about Tribulations in detail , there isn't.

And because of those two extremely vague verse Christians have clung to them like a disease , Take another verse in Mark mentioning Snakes an entire Church was built upon a misinterpretation of that verse .

Rapture is a modern term held by Christians end of story .

But here is the most important part of all , Jesus spoke of a tribulation in reference to his own people the Jews . That is the craziest part of Christianity it's a religion based not off the Bible but off one man from the Bible Paul .

Paul's testimony of being blinded by Jesus on the road to Damascus is the only thing linking Christianity to the Gentiles , aside from that Christianity is just a twisted up stolen Judaism.

Religion is of men it's not of God .

You're on the spot here, so you'd better come through.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

Ok you put me on the spot , I reply

and now your the one running ?

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

Joe Biden will have been voted in for his second term with 87% of the vote. that is when they will realize he has been dead for 2 years .

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

In six years I will be retired in Florida, America will be a marxist socialism in some states no all, poverty will be at a all time high, People will be living under bridges and by passes.

And we will be on our 10 pandemic by then.