Conversation about the Texas Abortion Ban

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: scrounger

No I am comparing back surgery to pregnancy in that hey, everything might turn out just great, but for some women, they might find themselves with irreperable and disabling damage to their body or death.. in both cases, shouldn't it be the one who is facing the risk that decides?

to which the exception for THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER is in almost all (including this) bill.
If (in this hypothetical example) in say 4 months the mother CAN PROVE that their health is in danger.. then abortion is legal.

but that isnt the issue because ITS COVERED.. its just used (presuming not by you) as the "shield" to hide behind in wanting abortion ON DEMAND/ANY REASON/ANY TIME...

people forget that most of the exceptions they throw out there ARE ALREADY APPOROVED..

with the case if one feels so strongly for it then take them ON YOUR TIME/DIME to a boarder state where its legal for any reason.

so in the end your claim is already covered.

scrounger

Nancy Pelosi's ArchBishop gives her, and Joe Biden, a basic Sunday School lesson...

San Francisco archbishop Salvatore Cordileone on Sunday shared a message to Catholics like President Joe Biden and House speaker Nancy Pelosi, who have condemned Texas’s new abortion law:

“You cannot be a good Catholic and support expanding a government-approved right to kill innocent human beings.”

More at: www.nationalreview.com...

a reply to: CryHavoc

Mostly leftists agree with abortion. These are the same idiots that claim the right are nazis, when in reality it is them whom to this day are furthering the goal of a real nazi and her friends. Margaret Sanger was a nazi, she wanted race purity and often spoke about it. Even when you show this to the pro-abortion crowd, they still support it even though almost 80% of abortion clinics are found to these days in minority neighborhood, and murder mostly minority kids.

Throughoutout the years I have posted threads, and evidence showing Margaret Sanger, and her nazi friends, for what they truly are. But you will never get the pro-murder crowd to agree that her goals are evil... They keep making excuses for them...

From the letter she wrote to dr. Gamble in which she fully shows to be a racist bastard whom thought black people were superstitious, and ignorant and she wanted them dead.



Margaret Sanger Letter to Doctor C. J. Gamble 12-10-39

To her writings all of which show her to be a racist white supremacist. A real one at that.

But it doesn't end there. There is more evidence that it has always, and continues to be the left, whom support the white supremacists/nazis. In fact white supremacists are very leftwing, to the point that they love socialism.

Anyway, there is AOC's chief of staff whom has been photographed with a t-shirt of a fascist Indian president known as Subhas Chandra Bose.
AOC Chief of Staff Saikat Chakrabarti Idolizes Subhas Chandra Bose Worked with the Fascists.



In fact, hitler and the nazis not only believed the very same things leftists believe to this day, including a hatred of Israel, but the leftists to this day are using the same tactics used by the nazis. Including criminalizing political differences from the left. Claiming any news that does not come from the left is "fake news and must be banned" which the nazis did do, etc.

Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

Fascism is Not Right Wing, it is socialist.

Sharyl Attkisson: Fake News is a Propaganda Campaign Started by the Left.

Here is a video of a black woman, one of many, that was forcefully sterilized when she was a child by Dr. Gamble, and other Margaret Sanger's friends...



BTW, Sanger was such a nazi, that she even published the work of nazi dr. Enrst Rudin on her April 1933 newsletter "Birth Control Review." One of the masterminds behind the Holocaust.

Go to page 102 to find Ernst Rudin essay Sanger published...

lifedynamics.com...

Ernst Rüdin

Ernst Rüdin (April 19, 1874 in St. Gallen – October 22, 1952) was a Swiss-born German psychiatrist, geneticist, eugenicist and Nazi. Rising to prominence under Emil Kraepelin and assuming his directorship at what is now called the Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry in Munich. While he has been credited as a pioneer of psychiatric inheritance studies, he also argued for, designed, justified and funded the mass sterilization and clinical killing of adults and children.
...

Ernst Rüdin

a reply to: scrounger
The article I was just reading had it
A medical emergency that endangers the LIFE of the mother.
Alot can happen during a pregnancy before it becomes a medical emergency that is endangering the life of the mother. Alot of pain, alot of suffering, and damage.
Women have survived only to be permanently blind, or on dialysis the rest of their lives. Heck, those oh so precious religious freedoms have permitted some hospitals to prolong the suffering of women having miscarriages till sepsis is present and endangering their lives. And the sick thing about that is that they knew the baby would be lost from the start. So now, all the hospitals in tx are required by law to run as if they have the same religious view as these hospitals... to wait around till the problem festers to the point where it will kill the women if they don't react?

No, just no.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Umm, ya, the first paragraph in that article mentions that these are voluntary, we are sterializingvpeople today as long as they voluntarily consent..
I have never run across anything that indicates sanger was forcing anyone into anything. While others were out there talking the politicians into secretly and forcibly sterilizing those they saw as unfit to be parents..(read blacks and native americans, the disabled and feeble minded) sanger seems to have taken a different route. She opened clinics, taught women how to avoid pregnancies, never force anyone into her clinics and what the women did with what they learned was up to them. And while they legally fought giving women that knowledge and power, laws were written that allowed the forced and secret sterilization of thousands.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Margaret Sanger is beloved and celebrated for her efforts in introducing and fighting for women's rights to birth control.

Here are some other well known, and beloved, eugenicists.

Theodore Roosevelt

“Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind. It is really extraordinary that our people refuse to apply to human beings such elementary knowledge as every successful farmer is obliged to apply to his own stock breeding . . . We fail to understand that such conduct is rational compared to the conduct of a nation which permits unlimited breeding from the worst stocks, physically and morally . . . Some day we will realize that the prime duty—the inescapable duty—of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong type.”

Sir Winston Churchill

“The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the Feeble-Minded and Insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate,”

Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

“It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…

Woodrow Wilson

as governor of New Jersey in 1911, when he signed New Jersey’s sterilization bill into law. It was “an act to authorize and provide for the sterilization of feeble-minded (including idiots, imbeciles and morons), epileptics, rapists, certain criminals and other defectives.”

LINKY

Just to name few. Sanger was in good company.

This is medieval tripe from one of the most backwards and religious states there is. Whose body is it? No women should have to grow a crotch gobbling they don’t want. This is how broken homes and families happen. I’d like to say ‘Christ Almighty’ out of shock, but this is partly the reason.

originally posted by: knoxie
Who’ll be paying the bounties?

A state that doesn’t have money for it’s power grid but has money to pay snitches. How is that possible?

And, where are they gonna get the money to pay for all the new orphans? Serious question.

Don’t believe in abortions DON’T GET ONE. It really is that simple.

Want to kill babies late term, move to another state, it really is that simple.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: knoxie
Who’ll be paying the bounties?

A state that doesn’t have money for it’s power grid but has money to pay snitches. How is that possible?

And, where are they gonna get the money to pay for all the new orphans? Serious question.

Don’t believe in abortions DON’T GET ONE. It really is that simple.

Want to kill babies late term, move to another state, it really is that simple.

No one is on about killing babies in a late term pregnancy.

6 weeks is too early for a ban and the people who designed this law know this.

This is all about the control of women by men.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RetsuUnohana

Like their stories don't matter.

In the scheme of things, they don't.

They would have 6 weeks to make the call.

As I posted above, a point that you apparently missed, they don't have 6 weeks to "make the call". At best, they have 2 weeks. 2 weeks to get an appointment, undergo an exam, get an appointment and submit to "counselling" and then wait at least 24 hours before they can have the procedure.

Most people that advocate for "life" are against forcing the mother to rush a decision. So this law backfires in that respect.

The issue with your 'My body my choice' is that its never applied equally. When she choose to have the kid. "Its her choice" and celebrated for it.

If the males not ready, maybe finances or age, he gets villainized as a dead beat dad or a sex fiend that want the fun but no responsibility. He than gets stuck with 18 years of financial support.

Responsivity should be on both of them.

If he wants the kid and willing to fully support it and take it in. But the woman wants abortion, you cut off the males choice. (Many cases like this where the woman gets an abortion, without saying anything and they end up in court).

If you ask the woman to get on the pill, they than say it makes them sick (understandable to some extent). If a guy wears a condom "its not 100% effect, what if it breaks etc etc etc)". The majority do not want solutions. It's being used as a contraceptive by most.

We even have movie stars bragging about abortions and how 'liberated they are' or wishing they would get one.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe
It appears this about a state law.
One passed by representatives elected by women.
It appears the women are in control.

a reply to: RetsuUnohana

Read through the thread.. women aren't being portrayed too nicely. Murderers, whores, selfish, irresponsible.
But if he is a deadbeat dad, is he paying the child support? I know it is harder now to evade the child support but I imagine there is plenty of men who manage to. I am pretty sure it is easier than dropping the fetus off at the local daycare center so you can get a break from the side effects of pregnancy, not even a short break so you can safely carry your two year old toddler away from the dangerous situation they might have gotten themselves in.
And quite frankly, I wonder if we might end up with more abortions if men did have the final say through financial coercion.

Most women aren't holding up banners in celebrating their abortions.
Most women are not having abortion in the late stages of a prrgnancy.
Most women who have abortions aren't whoring around.
Not all women ignore the wishes of their mate.

But some seem to feel that these thing are so important to the discussion they bring them up over and over. So much that one might thing that they are a description of all, or at least the majority.... enough so that we can base our decisions as far as how we regulate abortions at least..


The number of late term abortions is roughly around the same range as the number of abortions that involve health issues with either the mother or fetus..
You can't go on and make out like late term abortions are such a big deal but then turn around and dismiss the health issues because you believe that most women are using abortion as a birth control method.

And, I am sorry, but when it comes to those health issues...
It is her body her choice!
To claim that you should have the final say is like saying that that little pittance that most men pay in child support should give them the right to possibly condemn a women to a horrible and painful death if the pregnancy takes a turn for the worse.

a reply to: network dude

Thankfully I don’t live in backward state like Texas and if I did I’d be moving, that’s for sure.

Hyperbole much with the late term abortion crap? Lololololol



Got any idea who’s paying the bounties? Who’s gonna be paying for the orphans?

a reply to: RetsuUnohana

Social stigma is not the purview of the Supreme Court. Sure, people judge dead beat dads. But not as much as they judge "impure" women, who are stigmatized just for having sex. A sexually active woman's value is perceived as having been soiled, let alone how society isolates and shames women who seek and have abortions.

And, if your main problem with Roe V Wade is that it doesn't address a man's choice, this Texas ban pretty much forces men into fatherhood as much as it forces women to give birth.

It's true, child support, custody and parental rights aren't addressed in Roe V Wade. They're addressed and enforced by the individual states. Overturning Roe V wade isn't going to change that one tiny bit.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: knoxie
Who’ll be paying the bounties?

A state that doesn’t have money for it’s power grid but has money to pay snitches. How is that possible?

And, where are they gonna get the money to pay for all the new orphans? Serious question.

Don’t believe in abortions DON’T GET ONE. It really is that simple.

Want to kill babies late term, move to another state, it really is that simple.

No one is on about killing babies in a late term pregnancy.

6 weeks is too early for a ban and the people who designed this law know this.

This is all about the control of women by men.

And conservatives only care until it's born.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: network dude

Thankfully I don’t live in backward state like Texas and if I did I’d be moving, that’s for sure.

Hyperbole much with the late term abortion crap? Lololololol



Got any idea who’s paying the bounties? Who’s gonna be paying for the orphans?

If you want to kill a kid in the 47th trimester, go nuts. I've said it before, abortion is between the mother and God, and a belief in God is not required. I don't live in Texas, and cannot get pregnant. I was born without a uterus. And the bounty thing is stupid. But I still think abortion is murder. But for you, kill em all, and let God sort em out, amirite!

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: knoxie
Who’ll be paying the bounties?

A state that doesn’t have money for it’s power grid but has money to pay snitches. How is that possible?

And, where are they gonna get the money to pay for all the new orphans? Serious question.

Don’t believe in abortions DON’T GET ONE. It really is that simple.

Want to kill babies late term, move to another state, it really is that simple.

No one is on about killing babies in a late term pregnancy.

6 weeks is too early for a ban and the people who designed this law know this.

This is all about the control of women by men.

it seems is an opposition to abortion. it doesn't take much of leap of logic to come to that conclusion.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: knoxie
Who’ll be paying the bounties?

A state that doesn’t have money for it’s power grid but has money to pay snitches. How is that possible?

And, where are they gonna get the money to pay for all the new orphans? Serious question.

Don’t believe in abortions DON’T GET ONE. It really is that simple.

Want to kill babies late term, move to another state, it really is that simple.

No one is on about killing babies in a late term pregnancy.

6 weeks is too early for a ban and the people who designed this law know this.

This is all about the control of women by men.

And conservatives only care until it's born.

how exactly is it that you know what conservatives (all of them) care about?

a reply to: network dude

Wow, puss response. You act like people are having abortions for fun and giggles. I don’t know anyone who’s had a late term abortion and you act like it’s happening every minute and with every abortion like a puss. Disgusting.

Don’t believe in God so not worried about any of that crap. Are you?