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Experimental test of local observer-independence
Massimiliano Proietti, Alexander Pickston, Francesco Graffitti, Peter Barrow, Dmytro Kundys, Cyril Branciard, Martin Ringbauer, Alessandro Fedrizzi
The scientific method relies on facts, established through repeated measurements and agreed upon universally, independently of who observed them. In quantum mechanics, the objectivity of observations is not so clear, most dramatically exposed in Eugene Wigner's eponymous thought experiment where two observers can experience seemingly different realities. The question whether these realities can be reconciled in an observer-independent way has long remained inaccessible to empirical investigation, until recent no-go-theorems constructed an extended Wigner's friend scenario with four observers that allows us to put it to the test. In a state-of-the-art 6-photon experiment, we realise this extended Wigner's friend scenario, experimentally violating the associated Bell-type inequality by 5 standard deviations. If one holds fast to the assumptions of locality and free-choice, this result implies that quantum theory should be interpreted in an observer-dependent way.
originally posted by: Tempter
Fantastic metaphysical post!
So what do you think OUR consciousness is, then? Are you saying we're NOT aware of ourselves?
We're just observers?
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: neoholographic
Self Awareness is an excellent survival strategy. It makes complete and total sense as something to evolve.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: neoholographic
Self Awareness is an excellent survival strategy. It makes complete and total sense as something to evolve.
originally posted by: neoholographic
originally posted by: Tempter
Fantastic metaphysical post!
So what do you think OUR consciousness is, then? Are you saying we're NOT aware of ourselves?
We're just observers?
I think much of the problem with the debate has to do with how we define consciousness. I think consciousness and awareness are different things.
I think consciousess is how fast can an organism process information about it's environment and how much information it can process about it's environment.
So a person can buy a new door and can be conscious about the color of the door, what the door is made of, what the glass on the door is made of and the fact they bought the door because the other door was scratched.
A dog may just be conscious it's a door without a hole for him to crawl through like the last one.
Awareness is qualia. Awareness is saying I bought this color door because it matched the new car I bought when I was depressed and I wanted to treate myself. You can't quantify this like you can information about the color of the door.
Awareness is the me experience and can't be quantified because there's no way to know if any of the other 7 billion people in the world are having a me experience also. I could be the only one that exist and everyone else is a simulated being.
Awareness can initiate recall of a specific memory. How is this possible with the material brain? How does the material brain, tell the material brain, which memory it wants the material brain to recall and why?
So there's a difference between consciousness and awareness. I may be conscious that I'm eating spaghetti but I'm aware whether I like it or not and why. I'm aware of the experience I have when eating spaghetti and what taste like spaghetti to me might taste like Lasagna to someone else but there's no way to know this because we're like 7 billion black boxes of experience. How can the material brain be aware of experience and be aware how it feels about an experience?
I think consciousess is how fast can an organism process information about it's environment and how much information it can process about it's environment.
Definition of awareness :
the quality or state of being aware :
knowledge and understanding that something is happening or exists
originally posted by: neoholographic
This is why materialism makes no sense. I truly think materialism is human hubris and pride. It's 666( 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons) or man's number. It's humans being so proud, they think that they have the highest intellect in the universe. They call Einstien or Hawking genius for discovering the genius of God.
Where's the evidence that matter can be aware of itself? That statement makes no sense and some Scientist realize this and they say consciousness is an illusion. There's not a shred of evidence that matter can become aware of itself. In fact, what we call the basic building blocks of matter, subatomic particles, isn't matter at all. Subatomic particles are excitations of underlying quantum fields. Matter can't be in superposition or be non local and entangled. Again, it's absurd and most scientist know this but they also know without the lie of materialism, God is standing there. Heisenberg said this:
Now, the first gulp should make you abandon atheism, materialism or any nonsensical ism that supports the absurd notion that matter can magically becaome aware.
Awareness is fundamental and immaterial. It just is.
If you had a hypothetic brain transplant between Bob and Alice, most scientist don't believe Alice will think she's Bob and Bob will think he's Alice. They would have memories and desires that may be different for them but their awareness of "me" will still be there. If awareness is generated by the material brain in some magical way, then Bob should wake up thinking he's Alice and Alice should wake up thinking she's Bob.
Where's awareness located in the material brain. You can lose much of your brain and still function and be aware.
Awareness is fundamental and interacts with what we call the material world and when it interacts with something as complex as the brain, you get self awareness.
We seen evidence of this fundamental awareness in recent Wigner's Friend experiments that confirmed Wigner's Friend on a microscopic scale. It showed when Wigner's Friend carried out a measurement in a lab and measured spin up, Wigner outside the lab can do an interference measurement on the same system and measure interference. As long as Wigner isn't aware of his friend's measurement, he can measure interference. As soon as Wigner's Friend calls Wigner and tells him the outcome of his measurement, he can no longer measure interference in the system.
How does a quantum system's wave function when Wigner has or doesn't have knowledge about it's measured state? This is evidence of fundamental awareness on quantum scales.
Experimental test of local observer-independence
Massimiliano Proietti, Alexander Pickston, Francesco Graffitti, Peter Barrow, Dmytro Kundys, Cyril Branciard, Martin Ringbauer, Alessandro Fedrizzi
The scientific method relies on facts, established through repeated measurements and agreed upon universally, independently of who observed them. In quantum mechanics, the objectivity of observations is not so clear, most dramatically exposed in Eugene Wigner's eponymous thought experiment where two observers can experience seemingly different realities. The question whether these realities can be reconciled in an observer-independent way has long remained inaccessible to empirical investigation, until recent no-go-theorems constructed an extended Wigner's friend scenario with four observers that allows us to put it to the test. In a state-of-the-art 6-photon experiment, we realise this extended Wigner's friend scenario, experimentally violating the associated Bell-type inequality by 5 standard deviations. If one holds fast to the assumptions of locality and free-choice, this result implies that quantum theory should be interpreted in an observer-dependent way.
arxiv.org...
Let me say this again:
In other words, Wigner's Friend makes a choice to measure the state of a quantum system, he becomes entangled with the superposition of the quantum system and in his local frame of reference(the lab) he thinks a measurement has occured but Wigner outside the lab can still measure interference until he makes a choice to become aware of the measurement that his friend in the lab recorded.
Again, how is the quantum system aware if Wigner knows it's state or not? Awareness is fundamental. There's no evidence that anything we call material can be aware of itself. Again, it's absurd to even think about.
Darwinist, how did non life evolve awareness of itself?