This should concern anyone regarding side effects.

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: Halfswede

2574 cases of myopericarditis or pericarditis out of approximately 174 million fully vaccinated individuals. Sooooooo, what is that, 0.0014% Sorry, dealing with many decimals. I guess thats bad.

Limited follow-up information in VAERS case reports suggests most patients
(77%) recovered from symptoms at time of report or follow-up

Oh at least 77% fully recover? Lets do some more math. Oh man dealing with negative exponents now and everyting... uhh...0.00038%?

If you are afraid of this, then you might as well lock yourself at home and await death since at this rate anything is likely to happen and kill you.

So this is on the CDC site, so it seems actual cases were a lot less than 2574. Israel said all of their cases were successfully treated with light anti-inflammatories, and so I think the vast majority of these cases are the same unless someone can find data on it, I could not.

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of August 18, 2021, VAERS has received 1,339 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 778 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

originally posted by: jondashipsu
a reply to: MDDoxs

about the same odds of dying from covid if you get it. so why get the jab?

Not even close.

641,000 covid deaths in US out of 39,300,000 cases = 1 death for every 61 covid cases.

2574 myopericarditis cases out of 174,000,000 full vaccinations = 1 myopericarditis case (not deaths) for every 67,600 full vaccination.

Getting covid is about 1,100 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated is likely to give you myopericarditis.

This is the fundamental problem: antivaxxers estimate the risk from the vaccine as being equal to or greater than the risk of getting Covid.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: jondashipsu
a reply to: MDDoxs

about the same odds of dying from covid if you get it. so why get the jab?

Not even close.

641,000 covid deaths in US out of 39,300,000 cases = 1 death for every 61 covid cases.

2574 myopericarditis cases out of 174,000,000 full vaccinations = 1 myopericarditis case (not deaths) for every 67,600 full vaccination.

Getting covid is about 1,100 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated is likely to give you myopericarditis.

This is the fundamental problem: antivaxxers estimate the risk from the vaccine as being equal to or greater than the risk of getting Covid.

Just because YOU may volunteer to possibly get myopericarditis from taking the vaccine because of YOUR fear of COVID doesn't, in the least, mean that everyone else should be willing to do so. That is the point of the argument. Some people prefer to make their own choices rather than be herded and cattle prodded into a decision someone else wants to make for them. IMHO.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Yeah , just going to have to Wait for the News of the First Woman of Child Bearing Age who was Vaccinated to give Birth to a Healthy Baby . That News Will Never Come by the Way............

a reply to: Halfswede
And they want to vaccinate children down to 5 years old. I can not imagine even 1 child 5 years old being subjected to these vaccines.

That's pure evil.

a reply to: MDDoxs


It is not good when a vaccine has even that many side effects of that magnitude. Remember, the damage done does not all go away if they recover, there is some permanent damage that will show up in years to come and raise risk of events.

Also note the low numbers in the Janssen vaccine compared to the mRNA vaccines. I would expect to see all vaccines comparable to the Janssen statistics. This amount of even this one side effect in the younger people would have triggered a stop of the vaccine being used.

I have nothing against vaccines, but in the case of these mRNA vaccines they are not being held to the testing that has been historically used. So I have to say I do not approve of the mRNA vaccines because of the lack of safety they have. Nobody I personally have heard of has had problems from the Janssen vaccine nor have I heard of anyone who had the Janssen that got sick. that is not the case I observe with the two mRNA vaccines locally. Is it relevant to elsewhere in the country? I don't care, I care what I observe right here in the U.P of Michigan.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

2574 myopericarditis cases out of 174,000,000 full vaccinations = 1 myopericarditis case (not deaths) for every 67,600 full vaccination.

It is actually 778 myocarditis or pericarditis cases after the CDC followed up with the VAERS reporting, and there are now over 350 million shots given.

originally posted by: rickymouse

Also note the low numbers in the Janssen vaccine compared to the mRNA vaccines. I would expect to see all vaccines comparable to the Janssen statistics. This amount of even this one side effect in the younger people would have triggered a stop of the vaccine being used.

Its funny when you read about adenoviral vectors it sure sounds a lot like mRNA. It was first used to try designing it for gene therapy and basically does the same thing as mRNA. It is also created with fetus cells where mRNA is not if someone has a problem with that.

There’s another potential problem. Just as human bodies develop immune responses to most real viral infections, our bodies also develop immunity to adenoviral vectors. That makes booster shots of adenoviral vector vaccines problematic. Upon a second injection, our bodies will unleash an antibody attack on the vaccine itself. And since adenoviral vectors are based on natural viruses that some of us might already have been exposed to, the vaccines might not work for everyone.

So children are in the lowest risk group for Covid-19, but they are clearly in the highest risk group for vaccine side effects, especially the boys from what I can see. Yet another reason we absolutely should not be pushing this crap onto kids... it's truly sick that some people place politics above the lives of children.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Halfswede
And they want to vaccinate children down to 5 years old. I can not imagine even 1 child 5 years old being subjected to these vaccines.

That's pure evil.

No.... they want to go to 6 months old. These people have completely lost the plot due to being bombarded with constant fear porn. The scariest thing is many of them believe they're actually doing the right thing.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Where i am i heard nurses are quitting yet MSM arent giving out the full story they claim its because of pay but since Vax mandates i do see a number quitting over the vax mandates during the fall and winter.

I had being hearing they are after 11/12 year olds in some areas.

originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: MDDoxs

I know someone who just confirmed to have a heart issue after going to their doctor they have to take a drug for it for now.

This after two doses of Pfzier.

Have they abused their body with unhealthy eating, smoking, alcohol.. do they have a predisposition?

Why is this question so common when trying to explain away vax injuries and deaths?

How would the official number of Covid serious cases and deaths be impacted by the same consideration?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

So we have a vaccine that is so good if you have a jab every six months you might stay out of the hospital. But don't worry they can be fine-tuned for variant strains of the cold. It will kill a few people. It will also maim them but statistically a very few. The idea that it does not leak a biotoxin from the injection site , was the whole reason this looked viable, but since they find in many cases it does leak what now? Add in the fact that simple protocols of not giving it to people with prior conditions are being ignored, to the point where it's a drive-through injection with no questions asked, is just #ing incredible. Did we just volunteer to depopulate for some reason? Let's face it if we let this happen we will get what we deserve.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: jondashipsu
a reply to: MDDoxs

about the same odds of dying from covid if you get it. so why get the jab?

Not even close.

641,000 covid deaths in US out of 39,300,000 cases = 1 death for every 61 covid cases.

2574 myopericarditis cases out of 174,000,000 full vaccinations = 1 myopericarditis case (not deaths) for every 67,600 full vaccination.

Getting covid is about 1,100 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated is likely to give you myopericarditis.

This is the fundamental problem: antivaxxers estimate the risk from the vaccine as being equal to or greater than the risk of getting Covid.

What you seem to be missing, and what is the point of this thread, is that this is overwhelmingly happening in 12-24 year old males. The odds you calculated are based on the entire lump of Covid cases. Not only that, but they appear to be young and otherwise healthy males (if it was triggered by comorbidities, you wouldn't see the age weighting).

So what are the odds of young, healthy 12-24 year old males getting covid and dying? While the data is somewhat incomplete here even at the CDC, it is exceptionally low even using their numbers (at most, around a couple hundred total). Also, this is just one adverse event, not including blood clots etc.

So reduce the total number of vaccinations and covid cases to just that demographic and see how rosy it looks.

Again, the guidance should follow the science and be data driven. Lumping everything together-- old, young, predisposed, etc. is fundamentally flawed and this data shows exactly that.

originally posted by: MDDoxs


If you are afraid of this, then you might as well lock yourself at home and await death since at this rate anything is likely to happen and kill you.

for a virus that only appears serious in 65 and older folks, many have voiced the same concern. Get it, and get over it, move the f on.

a reply to: MDDoxs

No, they abused their bodies by following the advice of numerous known liars and corrupted individuals like Fauci and Joe Biden.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: jondashipsu
a reply to: MDDoxs

about the same odds of dying from covid if you get it. so why get the jab?

Not even close.

641,000 covid deaths in US out of 39,300,000 cases = 1 death for every 61 covid cases.

2574 myopericarditis cases out of 174,000,000 full vaccinations = 1 myopericarditis case (not deaths) for every 67,600 full vaccination.

Getting covid is about 1,100 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated is likely to give you myopericarditis.

This is the fundamental problem: antivaxxers estimate the risk from the vaccine as being equal to or greater than the risk of getting Covid.

Now remove deaths with multiple comorbidities.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: MDDoxs

“If you are afraid of this, then you might as well lock yourself at home and await death since at this rate anything is likely to happen and kill you.”

This is the EXACT point many of us have been making about COVID-19 from the beginning!

The mortality rate, right from the get-go, NEVER warranted any of the draconian measures that have been placed on us.

It’s sad that you have given up on your own immune system. Since it’s a part of you — you’ve essentially given up on yourself….

I get what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree but the death rate isn't the biggest concern. It was crashing our healthcare system that was the biggest concern. We simply don't have enough room, enough doctors, enough medication, or enough nursing staff to care for those that required to be hospitalized.

This vaccine is helping in keeping people out of the hospital.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: MDDoxs


It is not good when a vaccine has even that many side effects of that magnitude. Remember, the damage done does not all go away if they recover, there is some permanent damage that will show up in years to come and raise risk of events.

Sing it, Rick. What part of "You cannot fully regenerate the heart, it's not a liver" do people NOT understand about heart damage?

Do people think it heals 100%? It doesn't! The rate of healing in the heart is so damned slow, no heart attack damage is ever corrected fast enough by the body to mitigate the damage. Some folks need to have a chat with anyone who's had a heart attack about that, it's established as hell.

Any runners here that received the vax? Did they instruct you to wait a certain number of days? Did they even ask if you work out?