Two die in Japan after shots from suspended Moderna vaccines - Japan govt

a reply to: litterbaux

There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus strain.

A few attempts, not many.

But mRNA has promise for a lot of things.

Correct! Never been a vaccination for a corona virus successfully developed.

Ever.

a reply to: litterbaux

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: litterbaux

There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus strain.

A few attempts, not many.

But mRNA has promise for a lot of things.

And vaccination ain’t one of them.

a reply to: Dalamax

I, and a lot of others, disagree with your opinion.

But don't feel bad.

That’s the best thing about opinions.

What could possibly be different about the old mmmmmahhnay?
a reply to: Phage

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: litterbaux

There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus strain.

A few attempts, not many.

But mRNA has promise for a lot of things.

So you're completely okay with testing previously failed experiments on the grandest level of all time? What level of medical granduer must you have to proclaim "this one is the one!" even though 100% of previous attempts were failure.

Don't get me wrong, science evolves. New drugs save people's lives every day and new ones are coming out all the time to make the quality of life for people better that have various medical conditions. Nobody denies mRNA technology has a lot of prospects in cancer patients to target tumors.

Keep in mind, the FDA has had to back track multiple approvals because the long term side effects were not known at the time of approval. It happens.

a reply to: Phage

Because its safe and effective like how it made one of many journalists end up in the hospital in Aus?

Promising.

a reply to: HawkEyi

a reply to: litterbaux

What level of medical granduer must you have to proclaim "this one is the one!"

Best coronavirus vaccine yet.

even though 100% of previous attempts were failure.

How many attempts?

Nobody denies mRNA technology has a lot of prospects in cancer patients to target tumors.

How do you reckon that works? Maybe by mimicking proteins produced by the patient's cancer cells? Inducing an immune response to those proteins?

a reply to: CircumstancialEvidence

Here in Holland everyone I have seen (with the exception of a handful of food service employees) is maskless, smiling, and not concerned with social distancing. From what I have seen and heard, few have taken a vid vax. The signage and warnings are still plastered all over the place but these are mostly ignored.

I can confirm this. Even at hospitals they removed the " corona streets" before entering the hospitals. No more waiting in line for checklists or more. You just walk in at the entrance now and go where you have to go.

That’s strangely satisfying to know, cheers

a reply to: everyone

a reply to: everyone

Thank you for confirming what I've seen. I've been out and about in Amsterdam and Arnhem and have been seeing the same. Most of the personnel I saw upon arrival at the the airport was unmasked. It's a beautiful thing.

Cheers

a reply to: Phage

Best coronavirus vaccine yet.

No long term data had yet being ever done all these clinical trails were rushed.

a reply to: HawkEyi

Yes. The clinical trials were expedited because of the emergency.

12 billion dollars can make things happen faster. A good idea with a stupid name.

a reply to: Phage

Animal coronavirus vaccines: lessons for SARS


From an different study.

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated

a reply to: Phage
No amount of money can make long term effects happen faster.

a reply to: Phage

Yes. The clinical trials were expedited because of the emergency.

Again just shows that it wasn't a good idea no expectation should be given. They ignored it. Number of studies wrote caution when making vaccines for humans....

Study

a reply to: HawkEyi

From an different study.

Yes. A different disease, in mice, and a different approach

a reply to: HawkEyi

Yes. A different disease, in mice, and a different approach

a reply to: Itisnowagain

No amount of money can make long term effects happen faster.

Nor can claims that such effects are inevitable.