Biden's National Security Disaster

With the events that have occured over the last few days in Afghanistan Im quite amazed that we havent heard any talk concerning the national security risk that Biden has created by leaving all of our military equipment in Kabul.

That equipment contains some of our most advanced weapons, electronics, and network systems that we have, and it's all sitting in Kabul ready to be sold off to the highest bidders. I see it as a great way for the Biden Administration to give our national defense secrets to our adversaries.

Now Joe Biden has created a scenario in which Iran, Pakistan, Hamas, Hezbollah, and any other nation sponsor of terrorism or any of our other adversaries have a prime opportunity to gain a good deal of information that weakens our security and advantage on the battlefield.

It boggles my mind that we are now openly relying on the organization that has been our adversary for the last 20 years to provide security for our citizens and military personnel. This is equivalent to assigning Al Queda as security to the World Trade Center site.

He should be prosecuted under the Trading With The Enemies Act and for violation of compartmentalized security protocols.

At this point it should be abundantly clear that the Biden Administration is working for the Taliban much more than they are working for the security and safety of America and it's citizens.

a reply to: Timucuan

A vast majority of the equipment was abandoned by the Afghani military. Granted, we gave that to them in good faith, but it wasn't mostly American assets that fell into Taliban hands. Yes, some, but not all.

Also, part of why Trump had made the deal to continue to provide air support and satellite imagery. The Afghani military did not have direct access to that and we didn't want them to, as part of that compartmentalization you mentioned. Anything that we have left in country at the point is below the tech of the Chinese/Russians and probably even what we've sold Pakistan over the years.

Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
a reply to: Timucuan

A vast majority of the equipment was abandoned by the Afghani military. Granted, we gave that to them in good faith, but it wasn't mostly American assets that fell into Taliban hands. Yes, some, but not all.

Also, part of why Trump had made the deal to continue to provide air support and satellite imagery. The Afghani military did not have direct access to that and we didn't want them to, as part of that compartmentalization you mentioned. Anything that we have left in country at the point is below the tech of the Chinese/Russians and probably even what we've sold Pakistan over the years.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your assessment. I cannot think of anytime that the Taliban or any other terrorists organization or state had free access to the avionics and weapons targeting/guidance systems of our attack helos and aircraft. Nor can I ever think of a single time during my 20 years working in the Middle East that I've seen terrorists rolling up in WorkMaxx trucks and MRAPS or armored HMMVEES.

I mean Ive seen a few IED's and suicide bombers in my time but I've never seen them using drones, surplus military Semtex, or Stinger missiles.

IDK, maybe I missed something.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

Rally round the king!

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

There's no "IF" to it, I'm directly blaming the Imbecile in Chief. 4105 American lives lost in that country as of today all so an idiot that doesn't have a clue where he is can surrender it all for nothing.

No sir, I would have to say that you are on the wrong side here. I've washed my buddies blood out of equipment over there and those sacrifices weren't made so we could hand it all over to our enemy.

Biden can delegate authority all he wants but he will never be able to delegate responsibility for this debacle.

Y'all act like leaving equipment behind hasn't happened before.

The Weapons America Is Leaving Behind in Syria

It’s that latter prospect that should be concerning. In 2017, Trump shuttered a CIA program to arm and equip Syrian rebels, and the weapons and ammo left behind may have helped spur what one researcher on the ground has called an “industrial revolution in terrorism”—and in the midst of Trump’s hasty about-face in northern Syria, even more powerful U.S. munitions stand poised to fall into enemy hands.

originally posted by: dandandat2

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

Rally round the king!

Not a king. Just an administration trying to clean up a hell of a mess.

You're on the wrong side here.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Y'all act like leaving equipment behind hasn't happened before.

The Weapons America Is Leaving Behind in Syria

It’s that latter prospect that should be concerning. In 2017, Trump shuttered a CIA program to arm and equip Syrian rebels, and the weapons and ammo left behind may have helped spur what one researcher on the ground has called an “industrial revolution in terrorism”—and in the midst of Trump’s hasty about-face in northern Syria, even more powerful U.S. munitions stand poised to fall into enemy hands.

There is a very large difference between leaving minor munitions due to logistics and leaving over 50 million rounds of ammo and 70,000 vehicles including armor.

It really shouldn't matter what happened in the past unless you're stuck there, this is the here and now and is a very different situation. But hey let's use your rationale of thinking, I mean murder and rape has happened before so it's okay right?

originally posted by: GravitySucks

originally posted by: dandandat2

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

Rally round the king!

Not a king. Just an administration trying to clean up a hell of a mess.

You're on the wrong side here.

This administration is trying? Not doing very well I'm afraid.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

Don't be so ridiculous, we already had a full proof plan on how this would go down.

Your "side" screwed things up royally and you're bragging about evacuations???

I'm condemning the Commander in Chief as his incompetence has cost the lives of young American Soldiers.

I'm also condemning you for not clearly thinking this through. Trumps plan would have brought American citizens and equipment home, under the security of the US Military and our Air Superiority.

Yeah and let's not forget all of the Kurdish allies Trump flew to safety, right?

Oh, wait. He left them to be slaughtered.

F*ck yes we're trying.

a reply to: Arnie123

The US military is there now, dude. Flying people out and protecting the evacuation efforts. WTF do you think died today.

But hey, have fun with you're little circle jerk.

originally posted by: GravitySucks

originally posted by: dandandat2

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Evacuating 100,000 people and pulling us out of Afghanistan is no small feat.

If you’re condemning and blaming the current president instead of condemning the Taliban and ISIS 2.0 (IS-K), you’re on the wrong side.

Rally round the king!

Not a king. Just an administration trying to clean up a hell of a mess.

You're on the wrong side here.

Yup doing what government does best, creating a mess so they can fix it and be the heroes.

Funny that Afghanistan was more stable in the last 4 years than it's been in the last 18 but now it's suddenly a mess. I mean it's not surprising, even Obama knew that Joe could screw up a wet dream, he said so himself.

You're correct though, it's a mess and became a mess as soon as Biden tried to handle it. Just like everything Biden touches, it becomes a disaster.

Just look at the condition of the family he raised and that will tell you all you need to know. He was a loser husband and father, with a son that's a career drug addict supposedly the smartest person Biden has ever known.

Yeah no one should be surprised at what a #show his administration is.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Y'all act like leaving equipment behind hasn't happened before.

The Weapons America Is Leaving Behind in Syria

It’s that latter prospect that should be concerning. In 2017, Trump shuttered a CIA program to arm and equip Syrian rebels, and the weapons and ammo left behind may have helped spur what one researcher on the ground has called an “industrial revolution in terrorism”—and in the midst of Trump’s hasty about-face in northern Syria, even more powerful U.S. munitions stand poised to fall into enemy hands.

You bring up a great point at least Trump tried not to leave weapons behind for the Syrians. At a minimum, Biden should have destroyed the equipment he left behind. You claim Trump left behind things as well that's not actually true what was left behind was at a minimum damaged.

www.cnn.com...

Biden messed up the pull-out was done assbackwards. First, you get the people out civilians and once you got them out you pull back from Kabu back to Bagram airfield. From there you strike all military depots remaining and then you pull out the military. When he pulled out of Bagram he no longer had any control in Afghanistan.

He packed them up in the middle of the night without saying a word to Afghanistan or even NATO allies.

apnews.com...

This move created a situation where the Taliban knew there was no longer any threat.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Y'all act like leaving equipment behind hasn't happened before.

The Weapons America Is Leaving Behind in Syria

It’s that latter prospect that should be concerning. In 2017, Trump shuttered a CIA program to arm and equip Syrian rebels, and the weapons and ammo left behind may have helped spur what one researcher on the ground has called an “industrial revolution in terrorism”—and in the midst of Trump’s hasty about-face in northern Syria, even more powerful U.S. munitions stand poised to fall into enemy hands.

You bring up a great point at least Trump tried not to leave weapons behind for the Syrians. At a minimum, Biden should have destroyed the equipment he left behind. You claim Trump left behind things as well that's not actually true what was left behind was at a minimum damaged.

www.cnn.com...

Biden messed up the pull-out was done assbackwards. First, you get the people out civilians and once you got them out you pull back from Kabu back to Bagram airfield. From there you strike all military depots remaining and then you pulll out the military. When he pulled out of Bagram he no longer had any control in Afgnistan.

Bagram was the most fortified location we had in Afghanistan and the moment that I heard we had vacated Bagram I knew it would all go down hill fast.

If anyone in his administration had any tactical sense to them they would have sent in the 10th Mountain a month ago and secured a 5 mile radius around Bagram then start pulling all assets from in country into Bagram for extraction.

American civilian embassy personnel and contractors should have been priority 1, followed by any Afghan nationals that had been fully vetted and screened, and finally pull out our troops leaving a small operator group behind to demo anything left and then vacate.

However if it were me, I would still hold Bagram as a FOB for Middle East and Central Asian ops.

a reply to: Timucuan

You can't really disagree with cold hard facts. We gave the Afghani military billions of dollars worth of equipment to use to defend against the Taliban, including the WorkMaxx trucks, MRAPs, uparmored HMMWVs you mentioned and more. Yes, it came from us originally, however our forces were not the ones to abandon the majority of it. However, as I said in my previous post, that also, yes, some of it was abandoned by our forces. My point is just not all of what fell into Taliban hands was from our forces.

As far as enemy or less than friendly forces having access to current avionics, systems, and more, well, I think you're a little misguided there as well.

Terrorists have been using semtex for decades.
Pakistan has around 30 operational F-16C and D models, with enhanced engines, helmet mounted cueing systems, and very modern electronic warfare suites.
We gave the the Afghanis Stinger missiles in the 1980s to fight the Soviets. Iran and North Korea even reportedly have some, presumably transferred from Afghanistan.
Originally starting with off the shelf consumer models drones have been used by terrorist organizations for most of the last decade and are only growing in sophistication.
Iran has captured and worked on both the RQ-170 and the RQ-4.

And those are just the tip of the iceberg along that front.

a reply to: dragonridr

We've been destroying equipment since at least May.

At Least 1300 Pieces of U.S. Military Equipment Destroyed Amid Afghanistan Troop Withdrawal

As the final American and NATO troops leave Afghanistan after a two-decade war, they are leaving behind tons of military equipment to be destroyed in scrap yards.

The U.S. military is breaking up the Bagram Air Base and anything that is not taken home or given to the Afghan military is being dismantled.

According to a statement from the U.S. military, about 1,300 pieces of equipment have been destroyed so far. One official told the Associated Press that there will be more destroyed before the final deadline for departure on September 11.

Of course, September 11 turned into August 31.

And some, they left for the Afghanis, which may not have worked out as intended.