What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Two days for final push after months of fighting their way there without being battered by air support.

Stop lying.

We were supplying air support into August and they had their own airforce which we equipped, the collapse is on them. But people like you want us there forever holding their hands.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Two days for final push after months of fighting their way there without being battered by air support.

Stop lying.

We were supplying air support into August and they had their own airforce which we equipped, the collapse is on them. But people like you want us there forever holding their hands.

Wow.

So joe didn't cancel the promised air support in april?

I guess I could accept that his administration lied about that.

And they did make an attempt to restart it.

After too late.

But yes, they had own air force.

Mostly helicopters & transports.

No F35s.



And again making stuff about wanting to stay there?

Do you not realize that NOBODY is, or was, calling for that?

You do understand strawman, right?

Of course you do.

Why do you keep thinking I (or anyone else) will fall for it?



But please do keep calling me liar.

Wouldn't want anyone to start thinking you are interested in rational discussion.

You'd never live that one down.



And NONE of that explains why joe left so many stranded there.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
So joe didn't cancel the promised air support in april?

Nope.

B-52s lead new US airpower onslaught to stop Taliban advances in Afghanistan.

Kind of hard to have 'new airpower' if you haven't had old airpower.

Oh, look, here's some from July too.

LULZ, here's some from June.

Kind of hard to have airstrikes after April if they ended in April.

The utter failure here is not evacuating thousands of civilians prior to removal of majority of military personnel and proper disposition of major military assets - Joe squarely owns both. Two very specific things some here studiously avoid discussing by continuously arguing minutia and matters not pertaining to the actual failure here.

Trumps State Department and Military had plans to repatriate civilians which were shut down by the Biden regime so any BS claims Trump shares blame is horse crap and deflection.

Most ascribe this to Joes perceived lack of cognitive ability but one has to know various departments and agencies are not this stupid - the recent events are per plan and not spurious surprises.

I have the opinion that Joes handlers knew perfectly well what they were doing and manufactured what was a planned failure with purpose of generating enough public outrage at a potential mass hostage situation or atrocities on abandoned citizens.

Why?

MIC/DS needs a gigantic FF to justify a military response in a problem solution loop, as an added bonus they get rid of Joe with minimal damage due public outcry.

Watch for FF in Afghanistan and MSM driven efforts to promote "doing something" nudging public call for military intervention.

MIC/DS were not happy DJT figured way out of Afghanistan so we see now the sabotaging original plans calling for orderly withdrawal in proper sequence - civilians, weapon systems then troops. Sabotage occurred and is occurring on Joes watch.

Of course IMHO none of this had to occur had we not tolerated absolute in your face corruption here at home propelling Joe into position making these events possible.

a reply to: Phoenix

No, trumps team didn’t have plans to remove Afghans, stop lying.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: Phoenix

No, trumps team didn’t have plans to remove Afghans, stop lying.

Reading comprehension is a plus if one has it.

No reference in my post said one thing about Afghani's all reference was to US civilians, but I understand as I have spell out every nitty gritty detail to my children too! lest they totally misconstrue my words.

a reply to: Phoenix

Nice edit.

I replaced on word,

"order"

for

"sequence"

Because better fit meaning - thats it.

So nice try at obfuscating subject by making false insinuations - juvenile at best.

a reply to: knoxie

Answer this specific question and only this question with a directly related answer,

Why did Joe pull troops ahead of (American) civilians.

Just some news from 2019.

Trump admin broke law with visa delays for Afghans, Iraqis who worked for U.S., judge rules

Calling the government's arguments "untenable," the court ordered the Trump admin to produce a plan in 30 days on how to fix the visa

NBC


And Pence advisor has this and more to say.

There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He & his enablers across gov’t would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State.

Twitter

Afghanistan has been a disaster from the get go.

Biden Dismantled Evacuation Agency

The Biden State Department canceled former President Trump’s Crisis Response Bureau that was intended to provide swift and safe evacuations of Americans out of crisis zones just months prior to the fall of Afghanistan to the bloodthirsty Taliban.

Of course Joe's people are making bleating noises about this!

Biden’s State Department was quick to counter on the charge and told Fox News Wednesday in an email that it “is important to note that not only would the proposed Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau not have introduced any new capabilities to the Department, it was never formally established. ” That assertion is being contested by a number of sources.

Bolding is mine.

Trump says,

My Administration prioritized keeping Americans safe, Biden leaves them behind. Canceling this successful Trump Administration program before the withdrawal that would have helped tens of thousands Americans reach home is beyond disgraceful. Our withdrawal was conditions-based and perfect, it would have been flawlessly executed and nobody would have even known we left. The Biden execution and withdrawal is perhaps the greatest embarrassment to our Country in History, both as a military and humanitarian operation.

I happen to believe the former administration over the MIC/DS run current administration.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
So joe didn't cancel the promised air support in april?

Nope.

B-52s lead new US airpower onslaught to stop Taliban advances in Afghanistan.

Kind of hard to have 'new airpower' if you haven't had old airpower.

Oh, look, here's some from July too.

LULZ, here's some from June.

Kind of hard to have airstrikes after April if they ended in April.

And?

I already acknowledged that joe attempted to restart after too late.

Late june & early july.

By late mid to late july there were repeated rumors of planes returning with ordinance because taliban had already reached civilian areas so we could no longer bomb them.

Leading to abandonment of the massive Bagram base in the middle of the night, leaving all our equipment behind (this was not intended for ANA) and not even telling Afghan government until the next day when taliban had already moved in and taken everything we left.

None of this is going to help joe anyway.

He STILL left everyone behind.

And THAT is the problem.

All of that equipment and all of those people were supposed to be gone months earlier.

You'd have to ask joe what the latest excuse for that is. (Has had several different ones already)

Nobody else seems to know why.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Late june & early july.

Wrong!

May

April

Way too easy to disprove people who just make things up in the fly. Try again...

Good advice totally ignored by Joe,

Just Security Article

When the United States evacuated 140,000 Vietnamese, the Ford administration designated an IATF that included elements from 18 federal departments and agencies, 14 voluntary agencies (resettlement agencies), and 10 state and local agencies. The Clinton administration did it twice in the 1990s, with Kurds fleeing Iraq and Kosovo refugees evacuating the Balkans. These examples highlight how the government can quickly organize capabilities and resources from disparate departments and agencies under one leader who has the backing and authority of the commander in chief to cut through bureaucratic obstacles. An IATF is a temporary entity with authorities and appropriations for a specific mission. It should appeal to proponents of smaller government as the IATF dissolves after mission completion.

The article recommends the designation of an Inter Agency Task force to evacuate Americans from Afghanistan, something Joe had no problem doing for improving optics at border on day one of the illegitimate administration.

Article was published July 22,

Just another provable fail by Joe especially when his fellow traveler Bill Clinton did so in past successfully.

I still posit all this was done with purpose and evil intent.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Late june & early july.

Wrong!

May

April

Way too easy to disprove people who just make things up in the fly. Try again...

taskandpurpose.com...


I'm not going to keep explaining or researching for someone just trying to be obnoxious.

But for you, I did one more.

Here is one from july 24, stating that 10 missions had been flown in the previous 30 days.

Does that sound like air support against taliban that had major attacks underway in over 200 districts at the time?

NO.

it was a very limited number, likely zero in late may/early june, but they only break it down into 10 between may 24 and june 24.

While several hundred ANA positions in 200 district capitols were under heavy attack.

I'm guessing those 10 strikes were actually used to defend U.S. positions vs ANA positions, but just a guess on that.

Either way, 10 strikes obviously provided zero air support to the vast majority of the 200+ district capitols under heavy attack by taliban at the time.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

You: No air support after April.

Facts: Here's some from June and July.

You: But there wasn't any until then.

More Facts: Here's some from April and May.

You: I'll move the goal posts some more.


LULZ, thanks for playing.

Anybody? because answer to this simple question is central to this tread, not all the other drival used to deflect for Joe.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: knoxie

Answer this specific question and only this question with a directly related answer,

Why did Joe pull troops ahead of (American) civilians.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

You: No air support after April.

Facts: Here's some from June and July.

You: But there wasn't any until then.

More Facts: Here's some from April and May.

You: I'll move the goal posts some more.


LULZ, thanks for playing.

Fine, change no air support to almost no air support.

Doesn't change anything but the grammar.

Are you now the resident grammar nazi.



10 missions in 30 days, in a country of 65 million, when 213 district capitols were under heavy attack for the entire 30 days, is close enough to zero for me.

So out of 213 capitols under attack, 203 got no air support at all for the month, and the other 10 may have gotten 1 mission each during the month.

(Assuming that all 10 weren't just defending Bagram)

Does that put your mind at ease about my previous lack of precision?



Do you win brownie points or something?

Merit badge?

Just strange how you are suddenly interested in such precision.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Fine, change no air support to almost no air support.

That's called moving the goal posts, we established that's what you did already.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Fine, change no air support to almost no air support.

That's called moving the goal posts, we established that's what you did already.

Ok, I freely admit that I moved the goal post from none, to nearly none.

Completely irrelevant anyway.

Could have just asked me to do it 20 posts ago.

I wouldn't have objected.

Because it doesn't make any difference.