Britain and US Redploys Troops To Afghanistan

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: xpert11


Agreed.

We made promises to millions of people who are now, and will be soon, tortured and/or killed for believing us.

And the potential outcome for the region takes us right back to where we were on Sept 12, 2001.

Shameful.

I wonder how many of those people have pending asylum claims.

Great job to all those pro-illegal-immigration groups that go down to central America and teach economic migrants how to come up here and game our asylum system. All these people falsely claiming asylum delays processing for people who are in genuine danger.

So compassionate.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Debatable, as both were desired.

That was the impression we were given. It is funny how things have to be illustrated to the public to give support.

We gave nothing but small handouts. Did patrols to look for insergents. Basically to protect our selves and our own camps.

Just being there gave most folks more safety than any had known for generations.

No it dident. First of all in the beginning they dident even know why we were there. Moste of these people hadent even heard of 911.
Moste of the villages dont have electricity, TV or a radio. No mobile reception, so no mobile phones. They knew nothing.

Then we forced our way into their villages, and conducted forced interrigations. We scared them in to submition.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Debatable, as both were desired.

That was the impression we were given. It is funny how things have to be illustrated to the public to give support.

We gave nothing but small handouts. Did patrols to look for insergents. Basically to protect our selves and our own camps.

Just being there gave most folks more safety than any had known for generations.

No it dident. First of all in the beginning they dident even know why we were there. Moste of these people hadent even heard of 911.
Moste of the villages dont have electricity, TV or a radio. No mobile reception, so no mobile phones. They knew nothing.

Then we forced our way into their villages, and conducted forced interrigations. We scared them in to submition.

That's why there were thousands of people at the airport swarming planes in a panic as we left, right? Take a look at the videos. They're not westerners. Most of them are Afghans. Of course there's people over there who didn't want us there. But many are sad to see us go. There were literally people clinging to planes as they took off and falling to their deaths.

Tell the thousands of girls who got to go to school for the first time that all we caused was misery.

a reply to: xpert11

A scary scenario is Pakistan losing control over the Taliban.

A frightening prospect.

Either that a splinter group uses Afghanistan as haven for unseating Pakistan's ruling elite.

If The Taliban and their supporters gain more influence in Pakistan it will force the ruling elite there to take a more extreme stance.

There has long been elements within Pakistan's political elite, Military, Intelligence and Security Services who have close ties to The Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalists.
These ties aren't just ideological but also deeply entrenched tribal and long standing family links.
There is also a well established political elite and they will not give up power easily.

A group like ISIS or the Taliban plunge Pakistan into Civil War.

Most definitely.
But as I said before, its more likely that Pakistan's ruling elite will take a more extreme stance imposing a more brutal interpretation of Sharia and giving more support to Taliban and terrorist fighters.

Also, they gain control of that country's nuclear weapons stockpile.

A truly frightening prospect with possible global implications.

There is an almost universal and fanatical hatred of India in Pakistan.
It is very much mutual and unless people have spoken to people from these countries it really is hard to convey just how much they truly hate each other.

India will not stand by and idly let Pakistan's nuclear weapons come into the hands of the extremists.
Its not beyond the realms of believability that they won't bother with a conventional war, as devastating as that could be, but either side could easily conduct a pre-emptive strike on the other if felt sufficiently threatened.

I am however reasonably certain that UK/US/Coalition military and Special Forces have constantly evolving plans to neutralise Pakistan's nuclear capability if deemed necessary.
I'm sure it wouldn't be an easy undertaking but I would have thought feasible nonetheless.

I know its a series of worst case scenario's but the whole region is a powder keg, the proverbial ticking time bomb and as we are seeing at present things can escalate and evolve rapidly. These things can gather a momentum all of their own.

I hope its all paranoid imagining and things don't turn out anywhere near as bad as I've described.

Still wouldn't alter the shameful way we have abandoned Afghanistan and its people.

a reply to: face23785

Yeah i guess US/NATO are all cowards that just left these people to rot. It is all a political game. We said one thing but did something else. Yea...nothing new here. We just love to mess things up and leave.

Helping the Afghans were never the plan. You might have had that impression but our politicians nver had that plan.

Have you ever heard the saying: What is in the beast interest of the United States Of America. This is what this is. If you like it or not. They don't care.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: face23785

Yeah i guess US/NATO are all cowards that just left these people to rot. It is all a political game. We said one thing but did something else. Yea...nothing new here. We just love to mess things up and leave.

Helping the Afghans were never the plan. You might have had that impression but our politions nver had that plan.

Have you ever heard the saying: What is in the beast interest of the United States Of America. This is what this is. If you like it or not. They don't care.

I used to believe their # about spreading democracy when I was young and dumb. I don't now, and I haven't for years. We should have met our strategic objectives of disrupting the terrorists networks and then left. If it started to metastasize again, hit it again, BEFORE they have a chance to conduct another 9/11. We didn't need to stay there to accomplish that.

a reply to: face23785

Correct. You are very correct. That could have spared a lot of our friends lives.

a reply to: Britguy

What about all the military brass advising him? Are they not responsible for this fiasco?

Given what I've seen, and heard, over the past few days?? Being as they're incompetent morons, who should never have been promoted past plebe, much less to generals stars, they're as responsible for it as Biden.

Their job is to tell the President the unvarnished truth--whatever that truth is. Not seek to go along to get another star...

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Debatable, as both were desired.

That was the impression we were given. It is funny how things have to be illustrated to the public to give support.

We gave nothing but small handouts. Did patrols to look for insergents. Basically to protect our selves and our own camps.

Just being there gave most folks more safety than any had known for generations.

No it dident. First of all in the beginning they dident even know why we were there. Moste of these people hadent even heard of 911.
Moste of the villages dont have electricity, TV or a radio. No mobile reception, so no mobile phones. They knew nothing.

Then we forced our way into their villages, and conducted forced interrigations. We scared them in to submition.

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I'm guessing that English is not your first language. Russian, perchance?

a reply to: Freeborn

Anyone who didn't see this coming must be a complete and utter moron

Anyone that uses blanket statements like that isn't thinking very far or thoroughly.

What about people shielded from information? How about people that choose to avoid 'news' and other disruptive signals in their lives so they can actually do whatever they want instead of living in the 'fearmongering world'?

There must be 200 separate explanations as to why your statement is wrong and not very well thought-out, but I won't bother much further, I just wonder how people can have thought patterns like this in 2021, when you should have more compassion, be more open-minded and understand all kinds of different viewpoints and cultures by now - different ways to exist, live and be a human being.

Also, why make such an insulting statement anyway? Is that constructive? Is that informative? Does that kind of angry and hateful statement bring forth or encourage enlightenment, wisdom or good discussion?

Basically what you are saying, 'anyone who isn't or doesn't think like me, is unworthy of existence' - that's the logical conclusion your statement is going towards, or stemming from. This kind of destructive verbal poison is not necessary, and should be avoided in my opinion, if we want meaningful conversation or discussion going on.

'Besides, your statement sounds like the Jedi: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" - how could they not realize what they just said IS an absolute..?

originally posted by: Shoujikina
a reply to: Freeborn

Anyon

e who didn't see this coming must be a complete and utter moron

Anyone that uses blanket statements like that isn't thinking very far or thoroughly.

What about people shielded from information? How about people that choose to avoid 'news' and other disruptive signals in their lives so they can actually do whatever they want instead of living in the 'fearmongering world'?

There must be 200 separate explanations as to why your statement is wrong and not very well thought-out, but I won't bother much further, I just wonder how people can have thought patterns like this in 2021, when you should have more compassion, be more open-minded and understand all kinds of different viewpoints and cultures by now - different ways to exist, live and be a human being.

Also, why make such an insulting statement anyway? Is that constructive? Is that informative? Does that kind of angry and hateful statement bring forth or encourage enlightenment, wisdom or good discussion?

Basically what you are saying, 'anyone who isn't or doesn't think like me, is unworthy of existence' - that's the logical conclusion your statement is going towards, or stemming from. This kind of destructive verbal poison is not necessary, and should be avoided in my opinion, if we want meaningful conversation or discussion going on.

'Besides, your statement sounds like the Jedi: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" - how could they not realize what they just said IS an absolute..?

Can you name one of those 200 reasons?

I can only think of a handful.

And NONE of them make Joe look any better.

a reply to: Shoujikina

Wow.
Talk about about making a whole big deal out of nothing.

There must be 200 separate explanations as to why your statement is wrong and not very well thought-out....

If there are so many examples please give a few and we can discuss.

Also, why make such an insulting statement anyway?

Insulting?
To who and how?

Basically what you are saying, 'anyone who isn't or doesn't think like me, is unworthy of existence.....

How on earth you could make such a leap is quite frankly beyond me.
Could you please give an example of that or give some sort of reasoned explanation?

....that's the logical conclusion your statement is going towards, or stemming from.

Err, no its not.
Its just a massive leap imagined from hypersensitivity.

This kind of destructive verbal poison....

Oh please...'verbal poison'?
Where?
Examples please.

What utter nonsense.

The only things that could possible construed as anything of the sort is directed at the incompetents and intolerant extremists who have caused all this human suffering be they Taliban or the President of the USA!

I suggest you save some of your disgust and ire and direct it towards those who are responsible for the whole # show that is being acted out in front of us.