France Gone Full Authoritarian With Covid Health Pass.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

These kind of measures wont last. This will create a lot of anger.

a reply to: HawkEyi

One wonders why they require the "pass" for high speed rail and air travel ... but not for the metros and other urban transportation. Isn't being packed into a metro car a problem in terms of 'social distancing' ?

Curious, yeah, not so much.

Cheers

Would be rolling over in his grave. Probably is.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

We all know what happened last time around ....

a reply to: HawkEyi

I don't get it...

Most of Europe has had some form of obligation of identification through a valid identity card and to produce this on demand when requested by authorities.

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I believe my country went full authoritarian in 2005 when they changed the law for obligation to identification but to be outraged by this is a bit... well...late.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
Would be rolling over in his grave. Probably is.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Hi Chris

Interesting. You know, CDG might have approved of measures like these, but they would not have been open-ended. He would have had a distinct political goal to achieve within a defined timeframe, and would have never approved of shutting down the national economy "until further notice".

Of course, CDG was a leader, something about which the politicians of today have no idea. Today, they fearfully defer to unelected 'experts' and thus society goes to Hell in a handbasket.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I don't know a tonne about him outside of WW2 and the post war time, but I think he would have seen through the ruse that is the 'pandemic' in regards to making France more globalist and less self reliant, and more of a dystopian control matrix.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

But not like this what is happening now. This is over stepping.

a reply to: keukendeur

I have no problem with carry around a standard ID , always have it on me , main reason so they Can ID me should i am unable to speak or get messed up in accident to a point where they cant ID me by my body.

But again this debate is not about this , you got a dutch word as profile name , do me a favor.

Look up article 11 of the Dutch constitution , then show me the law that demands me to be vaccinated.

a reply to: TheGreazel

Show me the Italian constitution or the Canadian Charter of rights where it shows i have to vaccainted? or not be allowed to go in because i dont have a RNA vax?

a reply to: TheGreazel

I'm in it for the pushing of this "papers please" mantra.

I've seen it in many threads now comparing it to Nazi Germany.

It doesn't make sense. I get a 90,- ticket if I don't have that thing on me since 2005...

As for the vaccination thing, I have been saying this for a while now. Nobody is going to force anybody to get vaccinated, society is just going to be locked off for some...free choice. Ain't it great?!

a reply to: HawkEyi

Yea there are non , thats the point i want to make , they got no legal basis to back up the crap they doing.

yet we got all the legal basis in the constitution to object these decisions.

thats why i have become so vocal about this over the last few weeks.

originally posted by: TheGreazel
a reply to: HawkEyi

Yea there are non , thats the point i want to make , they got no legal basis to back up the crap they doing.

yet we got all the legal basis in the constitution to object these decisions.

that's why i have become so vocal about this over the last few weeks.

I know and I really admire the effort but you are three steps behind and you already lost.

It's not governments or global elite you are fighting...it's the people who have been quarantining for the last year and a half. People who just want to get back to the comfort of normal every day life and the only people standing in the way are those who refuse to just go along with the plan.

Remember 9/11? Remember giving up a little freedom for security? Where are those people who objected?

If this Covid thing was thought-up in order to get more control than you have to admit it's brilliant. Who are you going to fight?

You will keep fighting and a lot of others on this site keep saying they will refuse the vaccine until the very end but the only end you'll find is being a pariah who lost his privilege to a "normal" life in society.

Welcome to the twilight zone

Well NY is trying to do the same, but the people that are the ones no getting the jab are actually the racial group that is the most discriminated around, Black Americans, soo NY is wagging a war of discrimination and racism against Blacks.

Wow soo much for the civil right movement.

originally posted by: keukendeur

originally posted by: TheGreazel
a reply to: HawkEyi

Yea there are non , thats the point i want to make , they got no legal basis to back up the crap they doing.

yet we got all the legal basis in the constitution to object these decisions.

that's why i have become so vocal about this over the last few weeks.

I know and I really admire the effort but you are three steps behind and you already lost.

It's not governments or global elite you are fighting...it's the people who have been quarantining for the last year and a half. People who just want to get back to the comfort of normal every day life and the only people standing in the way are those who refuse to just go along with the plan.

Remember 9/11? Remember giving up a little freedom for security? Where are those people who objected?

If this Covid thing was thought-up in order to get more control than you have to admit it's brilliant. Who are you going to fight?

You will keep fighting and a lot of others on this site keep saying they will refuse the vaccine until the very end but the only end you'll find is being a pariah who lost his privilege to a "normal" life in society.

Welcome to the twilight zone

You are probably right with everything you wrote.

I just don't want my world to turn into madness , without atleast trying to do something about it.

Guess we have to see how things evolve.