IPPC published new climate report and not looking good

a reply to: face23785

Where is the proof that the ONLY reason CO2 levels are rising now is because of us?

There is something special about the carbon contained in fossil fuels. It contains virtually no C14 and that has certain discernible effects. Quite different from that produced by wildfires, termites, and volcanoes.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Some might offer that the CO2 is coming from warmer oceans. It is true that, everything else being equal, warmer water can hold less CO2. But everything isn't equal. The partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing. This means that the oceans are not surrendering carbon, they are absorbing it, their pH is falling. Which is a whole other can of worms.

In lieu of another suspect, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
(From 1971)


The carbon is ours and there are not really any other suspects for the cause of warming. Solar isolation (and activity) has not increased enough to account for it. If anything, it has been declining for a few decades, as the planet warms.

yesterday's news

Australia is the first to throw the IPCC report in the Bin
The Guardian


( And...
With all the experts here, nobody noticed that I wrote IPPC instead of IPCC in my OP and thread title? )


carry on

a reply to: face23785

CO2 are at the highest they have been in about 1 million years. It has been stable throughout the rise of human civilization until industrialization.

Carbon isotopes prove the extra CO2 is most certainly from turning fossil fuels, and it also happens to.be intuitively obvious.

While the link to CO2 to climate may not be as intuitively obvious, it is there and we'll understand by the actual scientists who study this. The mechanics behind radiative forcing and CO2's link to temperature and ultimately climate is well established and understood.

CO2 is just one piece, deforestation, damning and diverting rivers also has a profound affect on a local climate(again look at the Aral Sea)....

The same ipcc bastions of honesty who lied and falsified. data in the past? Several times?

Hahaha

Those guys?

Right,we can trust them.

a reply to: Phage

First serious reply I've gotten, so thanks for that.

It's an interesting little bait-and-switch.The document linked in your thread shows that Carbon-14 has been increasing due to us. Surely you weren't fooled into thinking that's proof that global CO2 levels are increasing exclusively or primarily due to human activity, being that C14 makes up only a fraction of 1 percent of global CO2 levels? He even notes in his conclusion that CO2 from burning fossil fuels contains no C14, so there's a serious limitation in that assumption.

I have no doubt human activity is increasing global CO2 levels. Again, the problem is it can't be quantified how much that is affecting things. The study you linked in your thread contains some important information about that that:

Although equally important today, the role of the terrestrial biosphere as a sink of anthropogenic CO2 emissions is still poorly understood.

That seems like a rather important thing to be missing. That might explain why their models always turn out to be wrong. They're missing a huge piece of the puzzle.

He follows with this:

Any prediction of future climate strongly relies on an accurate knowledge of the greenhouse gas concentrations in the present-day atmosphere, and of their development in the future.

And then there's this:

Despite intensive research in the last decades, the uncertainty of the gross exchange rates between carbon reservoirs is still in the order of ±20%, and it remains difficult to univocally quantify the repartition of net uptake between the biosphere and the oceans, and thus, to predict the fate of anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

That's a huge uncertainty.

And finally,

As mentioned earlier, it is important to know explicitly which fraction of the anthropogenic emissions enters the biosphere and which fraction enters the oceans, because carbon storage in these two reservoirs behaves very differently.

Where is this quantified?

The carbon is ours and there are not really any other suspects for the cause of warming.

Someone of your intelligence can't possibly think a theory is proven correct by the lack of alternative theories. C'mon Phage.

As I said in this thread, this is a lot of "we're not sure," "we think," "medium confidence," etc. Very little of it is known for certain.

Its all good, bout time this #show ended.
Obvious this is going nowhere.
We'll just do some arguing in the rubble and call it a day

I believe these Scientific reports like I believe the reports concerning Covid.

Only the misinformed are unaware these people have been running this
global warming scam for a very long time.

Stop listening to these clowns..it's all BS!

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

isn't the US doing as much or more than other nations? Until the others do their part, yelling at us won't change the dynamic. It sounds like folks like yourself would do better telling China all about the future woes. I'm looking forward to the beach being closer.

I personally think that all the climate crisis propaganda is a method and tool for more control of the citizens, but if we are being honest, The United States has done very little to curb emissions, other than outsourcing the majority of the production base to China, India and several other countries, that simply pour pollution into the sky.

The "global" mega corps who are the ones producing the most carbon emissions, simply passed the buck on pollution, while demanding the citizens of the world, live with less and less. The heads of those mega corps do absolutely nothing to reduce their carbon footprint as well.

That is how it goes in Feudalism though; even ultra modern Techno Feudalism like they are creating now, the citizens (peasants) get to have very little, while the managers of the resources (the aristocracy) get to have as much as they want.

a reply to: face23785

Until industrialization, CO2 levels were around 280ppm, now they are over 410ppm.

We know this extra CO2 is from burning fossil fuels.

No intelligent person will tell you this 45%++ spike in CO2 over the past century or so is from natural sources. All evidence says this is a direct result of human activity.

There is no debate, only those who accept the reality and those who choose to remain ignorant.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Since now everything is fake news and the truth is being censored, we have no way of knowing if any of that is true or not. Given all the fake news about Covid, I'd say the climate forecasts are fake.
But this is anecdotal. This summer has had some heat waves, some cool waves. More heat than not and stretches of dry and then periods of continued rain. Always in stretches. But I haven't been seeing heat lightning like in other summers. Lightning in general has been less than normal. We get rain but no intense thunderstorms.

a reply to: Dutchowl

I hope it is fake news, I really do hope so for everyone's sake.

The last days we had temps of 48C in Spain and Greece, that are absolute records.
The amount and intensity of wild spread forest fires in Europe and Siberia are records.
The long periods of drought are records.
The amounts of rainfall we had in short times are records

And I'm not even talking about Asia, US, Africa and Australia because I don't know the situation there.

I think it was something like ' for every 1 degree the Earth warms up, the clouds can hold 7% more water, which explains the longer droughts and heavier rainfall... dry land only needs a spark to become an uncontrollable fire.
So for me the math seems to add up.

What worries me are the measures they are going to take over here. Electricity became 50% more expensive in only months, and now they are going to do the same thing with gas prices.
So how exactly is a normal family supposed to stay warm in winter?

I'd love to get myself some solar panels on the roof and heat pumps, but I don't see them lowering the prices for those either... even, since last year we can't have our own water supply and during summer when temps are up we are not allowed to collect rainwater. So unless you are wealthy, your screwed.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Is that why Obama bought his mansion at Martha's Vineyard right next to the beach?... Is that why CCP loyalist democrat hypocrites including John Kerry, the Climate Change Czar aka the Czar of Lies, flew in his own private plane to get the Climate Change award from Greenland?...

John Kerry defends taking private jet to accept climate award in Iceland

Is that why Pelosi, and almost every CCP loyalist democrat went to obama's birthday party in their own private planes?... BTW, she was ousted from Obama's own party... Not even Obama wants her in his own party... roflmao

Is that why the illegitimate China Biden administration is asking OPEC to release more oil to the markets meanwhile the U.S. becomes dependent on other nations for our oil needs?...

Biden asks Saudi Arabia and OPEC to produce MORE oil as inflation sends gas prices soaring - after HE shut down America's Keystone pipeline

Is that why every Global Warming activist passing for scientists have been caught lying, such as claiming the Hymalayans would melt by what was it 2025-2030?

Is that why every Global Warming activist passing for scientist has been caught erasing raw temperature data, and changing temperature data even in countries like Russia and China?...

Is that why CCP loyalist democrat leaders in California are lying to you claiming "Climate Change is to be blamed for the fires, when everyone knows it's the socialist policies of democrats which stopped control burning of dead biological matter from trees, bushes, etc?...

Is that why CCP loyalist democrat leaders have been releasing more water to the rivers, and eventually the ocean, in California to "save the fish which would increase fish quanti5ty by only 1,000 a year yet they blame the drought in California to Climate Change?...

Only fools keep falling for these lies...

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Meanwhile in the real world, and real scientists were saying since around 1978 that the Solar System was and is moving into a new region of space in which temperature in that region of space is 1 million kelvin, meanwhile the region the Solar System has been in for about 15,000 years has been 4,000 Kelvin...

Title:
Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Authors:
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
Affiliation:
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1978
Category:
Astrophysics
Origin:
STI
NASA/STI Keywords:
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Abstract
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Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the near future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Cosmic Rays, especially X-Rays, The Solar System is Receiving Have been Increasing

Date:
May 24, 2010
Source:
Space Research Centre, Polish Academy of Sciences
Summary:
Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon? A U.S.-Polish team of scientists suggests that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect due to the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.
...

Ribbon at edge of our solar system: Will the Sun enter a million-degree cloud of interstellar gas?

Thousands and Thousands of Scientists Can't be Behind a Hoax(AGW), Right?

BTW, Mars has been experiencing Global Warming, and so have most if not all planets and even moons with an atmosphere in our Solar System.

Not that long ago astronomers were mystified that Pluto and Charon were emitting more x-rays, warming up, than their cores should produce.

Pluto is alive—but where is the heat coming from?

BTW, Pluto has been warming since at least the early 2000s even as it was orbiting away from the Sun.

Pluto and it's moon are too small to be able to produce and maintain this heat internally. Perhaps it is time to look for an outside cause to this warming which seems to be happening in several planets in the solar system, including on Earth.

Scientists find evidence of global warming on Mars

The article above is from May 2016. Mars has also been warming since at least 2001.

Climate Change on Jupiter.
Is shrinking superstorm evidence of climate change on Jupiter?

Climate change on Saturn.

The sudden warming of Saturn at least since 2004 which NASA could not truly explain.

The inexplicable enormous storms that appeared on a normally free storm Saturn but have appeared earlier than ever before.

And now.

Hexagon on Saturn: Nasa scientists ponder colour-changing north pole

Saturn's moon Titan also undergoing warming.
Is Titan Earth's evil twin? Saturn's moon has giant dunes made of METHANE that hint at dramatic global warming

The unexpected warm temperatures of Saturn's moon Enceladus.

It is true that the composition of the atmospheres of all solar system planets are different. But isn't it too much of a coincidence that all these changes are occurring at the same time Earth is undergoing similar changes?

By Robert Roy Britt October 09, 2002
In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.
...

Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists

a reply to: Phage

Except for the fact that is is known that cosmic rays and changes in the Sun activity itself changes the amount of C14 found on Earth, in tree rings, and in Earth's geological record...

However, this interest began to increase the connection between cosmic rays and sunspots, carbon-14 in the atmosphere, beryllium-10 on the surface of meteorites, and other processes. In particular, it was found that carbon-14 dating needed to be corrected for fluctuations in cosmic ray flux.
...

A New Theory of Climate Change
by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.

The red line is the C14 production rate, inverted. C14 production is inversely related to solar activity, so we see more C14 production during solar minima.
...

The Warning in the Stars

This has been discussed with you in the past, yet you keep on...telling the contrary to unsuspecting members...

What a load of BS.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

OK

Obama, Kerry, Pelosi, Biden,ccp, democrats, socialists, California... America

A changing climate, whatever the cause, is not a local thing.
You are talking about all American persons, politics and events here.
To me, as a European, that says nothing. We have our own share of all the above that would mean nothing to you either if I posted about it.

But after reading your second post I assume you are well aware of that.

As for your second post,
I can't argue with anything you say here since I know as good as nothing about it, I would have to read through all the links you posted and verify if what it says is true.

But what I see so far is that, according to your linked articles, even in space things are warming up.
So why wouldn't Earth be warming up then?

I guess I just don't understand why you oppose to that report, when you do believe that space weather is changing drastically. If it's true for space and all the other planets then why not for Earth?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I haven't read up on the IPCC report yet, but I did download the full 3000 + pdf.

Here's some stuff from American sources from a previous year:


I learned about greenhouse gasses in the 4th grade, 60s.
It was known that this would happen.

There was simply not enough political will to change course. Then in the 80s or so big oil companies paid scientists to say there was no connection. Thus the "not settled science" talking point was invented.

So here we are.

One example:

ExxonMobil climate change controversyThe ExxonMobil climate change controversy concerns ExxonMobil's activities related to global warming, especially their opposition to established climate science. Since the 1970s, ExxonMobil engaged in climate research, and later began lobbying, advertising, and grant making, some of which were conducted with the purpose of delaying widespread acceptance and action on global warming.

From the late 1970s and through the 1980s, Exxon funded internal and university collaborations, broadly in line with the developing public scientific approach. From the 1980s to mid 2000s, the company was a leader in climate change denial, opposing regulations to curtail global warming. ExxonMobil funded organizations critical of the Kyoto Protocol and sought to undermine public opinion about the scientific consensus that global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Exxon helped to found and lead the Global Climate Coalition of businesses opposed to the regulation of greenhouse gas emissions.

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A side note about a triggered image.

It was 2005. Hurricane Katrina was barreling toward the Louisiana/Mississippi state line. Evacuation called.

A reporter was at the airport. A man had just exited his company helicopter, on his way to his private jet. Asked about his plans, he said "I'm going to fly to my vacation home in the Rockies." Then a very bewildered look crossed his face as he turned one way and another and said, "I don't know why these people are staying here rather than leaving."

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

It has nothing to do with CO2. That is just made up to change the world economy to a socialist or fascist world regime.

Obama's EPA chief, Gina McCarthy, had to admit that the dramatic changes that the Obama administration wanted, the same things the illegitimate China Biden administration is going to introduce with the "Green New Deal", which would halt all our production would do nothing to stop climate change.



EPA Chief concedes climate rule; it's about 'reinventing a global economy'

What they want to do and are doing is redistribute the world's wealth which will only make the rich richer, and the middle class and poor people all will be poorer.

Venezuela implemented rationing of electricity "to fight climate change" and what it caused was death and suffering for the people. Meanwhile it did not help and is not helping the environment or Earth.

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Even if the U.S. was to halt completely all production they think it might lower temperatures by 0.01 C which is less than the margin of error, which means most probably it wouldn't lower temperatures at all.

What Phage is ignoring, like he/she always does, is the fact that the amount of cosmic rays the Solar System and Earth has been receiving has been increasing since the 1990s. When this happens the production of C14 increases worldwide naturally.

I have posted these graphs before showing how much Cosmic Rays which are reaching Earth has been increasing.

These following graphs shows the cosmic rays increase that reached the Earth from December 1990 until December 2016.



www.cosmicrays.unam.mx/



cosmicrays.oulu.fi... r=2016&endtime=23%3A30&resolution=Automatic+choice&picture=on

Here is what has been happening to the increase in cosmic rays from December 2016 until August 1st 2021.

This graph is from the Oulu Neutron Monitor/Oulu Cosmic Ray Station from the University of Oulu, Finland.



The Cosmic Ray Observatory from Mexico seems to be having some problems so I can't access it right now.

As you can see the increase in Cosmic Rays had continued to increase until about April 2021. Now the Sun is getting stronger once again and Cosmic Rays reaching Earth have been decreasing slightly.

What this means is that until very recently the natural production of C14 is easily explainable, and it is not because of anthropogenic CO2.

Phage knows this, since this has been discussed in the past, but he/she expects you not to know any of this.

Before the middle of 2000s, until around 2007-2008, the amount of Cosmic Rays reaching Earth was not strong enough and it wouldn't reach Earth's surface. But some source of cosmic rays either within the Oort Cloud or close to our Solar System has been increasing the production of Cosmic Rays to levels we hadn't experienced in a very long time.

Starting since around 2007 this source has continued to increase the amount of Cosmic Rays that have been reaching the Solar System and Earth, and it has been enough that the excess energy has been reaching the Earth's surface.

As a matter of fact, already in November 2008 NASA was reporting that the surplus of cosmic radiation the Earth "was" receiving was a whooping 300-800 billion electron volts. Since 2008 the increase in these cosmic rays the solar system is receiving has continued to increase.

Steve Cole
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-0918
[email protected]

Nov. 19, 2008

RELEASE : 08-301


Mysterious Source of High-Energy Cosmic Radiation Discovered


WASHINGTON -- Scientists announced Wednesday the discovery of a previously unidentified nearby source of high-energy cosmic rays. The finding was made with a NASA-funded balloon-borne instrument high over Antarctica.

Researchers from the Advanced Thin Ionization Calorimeter (ATIC) collaboration, led by scientists at Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, published the results in the Nov. 20 issue of the journal Nature. The new results show an unexpected surplus of cosmic ray electrons at very high energy -- 300-800 billion electron volts -- that must come from a previously unidentified source or from the annihilation of very exotic theoretical particles used to explain dark matter.

"This electron excess cannot be explained by the standard model of cosmic ray origin," said John P. Wefel, ATIC project principal investigator and a professor at Louisiana State. "There must be another source relatively near us that is producing these additional particles."
...

www.nasa.gov...

in fact here is another article showing how space radiation was increasing starting since around 2007-2008 to levels not seen since we started going into space at least.

Daily news

29 September 2009
Space radiation hits record high

By David Shiga


Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

www.newscientist.com...

And these levels only continued to increase until about April 2021. We don't know if this is a hic up, or if the trend will continue and the levels of Cosmic Rays/space radiation will continue to decrease.