Why are states, and the White House, becoming more threatening over vaccines that don't even work?

To start, Hello ATS. First post. Happy to find this place....tap tap tap.....is this thing on? Anyway, the vaccine IS working as it should. Hospital admissions , and more importantly deaths, are predominatly unvaccinated and/or young. The idea of a vaccine in the public's mind appears to be that of a total sheild, while in reality a vaccine just provides your immune system with a turbo charged response once the virus attacks....but it still attacks the vaccinated. The statistics of hospital admissions and deaths show an overall fantastic coverage from, lets hand it to him, President Trumps magnificent vaccine program.

The rates of newly infected did NOT drop when the vaccine was rolled out

The numbers of infected are fake. Intentionally inflated and overstated from day one. Is that even debated?

And then they roll out an ineffective vaccine and ‘viola’ “tHe rAtEs oF iNfEcTiOn hAvE dRoPpeD”

A sham rolled up in a scam and served on a luke warm plate of propaganda. A great meal for the easily manipulated.

99.96%

Take your chances. Just like you do when crossing the street.

The difference between the smallpox and polio vaccination programs to the current corona virus vaccine program to start is that with smallpox and polio, the vaccines were manditory and worldwide......the infections didn't stop until most of the Planet was vaccinated...and the infections are still out there but are rare. Plus, every virus is different. Every vaccine is different. Comparing each virus and its vaccine is simply not the correct way to look at this. The vaccine has reduced the numbers of dying covid patients by a great percentage.....hospitalization of the vaccinated is way down...the numbers of truley sick and dying are, for the most part, the unvaccinated and unfortunatly, the ignorant. a reply to: Vroomfondel

a reply to: HiddenIdentity
I dare you to watch this:

It's just 6 minutes long.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

I dare you to look at the data from israel on the life of the Pzifer and moderna, they were never to be permanently and people are getting infected regardless and people will die regardless, now try to find any data from the manufacturers, no even a list of side effects yet.

No patient consent forms on side effects and that is by law, why? because they lie.

Now go get your booster coming soon and ask what variant is the booster for, after you get tested for variants, lets see how that goes, one size is to fil all, variants my latino butt, the china virus jab just will not work after certain amount of time.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

I don't know where you get your information, but its crap.

Small pox and polio were not mandatory worldwide. Smallpox and polio are alive and well in some areas. In fact, our own border patrol have quarantined cases of smallpox in people trying to enter the country illegally. That is one of the things us crazy republicans are worried about. We shut down our own citizens but open the border to people who have never been vaccinated against anything and ship them all over the country.

As for vaccines and virus' being different, yes of course they are. But the procedures are not. With smallpox and polio we had enough testing to be sufficiently assured the vaccines were both safe and effective. That is not the case with covid. Not even close.

And lastly, please drop the bs about the great percentage of patients sick and dying are unvaccinated. This thread is based on an article that states very clearly of the new cases in Massachusetts 74% are vaccinated people. The data this thread you are commenting in is the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

I will agree, however, that the ignorant are suffering. Mainly due to the mistaken belief that being vaccinated has protected them when clearly it has not.

Because the vaccines are being used under the EUA, severe reactions (related or not) must be reported to VAERS.

NO, they aren't being reported.
A CDC whistleblower already said a large percentage of reactions and DEATHS were removed from the VAERS site.

This person also provided a sworn declaration -- which the basis for a lawsuit filed by Ohio-based Attorney Thomas Renz last month.

Your argument, therefore, is entirely moot!

The Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) at the FDA is monitoring the safety of authorized COVID-19 vaccines through both passive and active safety surveillance systems. CBER is doing so in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), and other academic and large non-government healthcare data systems. In addition, CBER participates actively in ongoing international pharmacovigilance efforts, including those organized by the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA) and the World Health Organization (WHO). These efforts are in addition to the pharmacovigilance efforts being undertaken by the individual manufacturers for authorized vaccines. A coordinated and overlapping approach using state-of the art technologies has been implemented.

www.fda.gov...


Because the vaccines are being used under the EUA, severe reactions (related or not) must be reported to VAERS.


NO, they aren't being reported.
A CDC whistleblower already said a large percentage of reactions and DEATHS were removed from the VAERS site.

This person also provided a sworn declaration -- which the basis for a lawsuit filed by Ohio-based Attorney Thomas Renz last month.

Your argument, therefore, is entirely moot!

I've reposted this response to you because it proves you have no argument or thoughtful, intelligent responses in this thread. There is only arrogant condescendence to anyone who knows better.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

www.historyofvaccines.org...

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

I am not going to read an entire website to find what you are referring to. If you cant show proper citation may I suggest facebook instead of ATS...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HawkEyi

Like yours in the other reply to me.

You see, the difference is that I consider both sides of the story. Some are just stupid, like glowing under UV and keys sticking to the skin, and "shedding" the spike protein. Others demand more attention.

Through this I came to the conclusion that getting vaccinated was a better idea than not. I have not changed my opinion.

Sorry but changing what's inside your very capable body in ways never before tried because of a big scary invisible monster which kills about as many as the common cold and whose own vaccine isnt effective at all but which magically we become resistant to if we take one made for the so-called eradicated flu which has a totally different signature to vaccinate with...we that isnt in any way a reasonable or sensible reaction.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

I’d like to note my rubella, hep b, measles, polio, tetanus, diphtheria vaccines are all in working order as well. Lol

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That lazy trait serve you well at University, did it? Probably as valuable to you as that surley attitude. Good luck with that.

Those aren't corona viruses.....like colds or influinza which because of their physical construction
mutate easily....there are over thousands of active corona viruses and judt several measles, polio or tetanus strains. Apples and oranges, as they say....but all this is covered in virology 101...guess ya just never cracked that one open....used a cheat sheet, did ya? a reply to: Bearmace

All 50 States had mandatory school requirements for vaccination. Look on your left shoulder right now and feel the power of the State. They lined us up, shot us full of dip-tet, measles ,and smallpox with a polio laden sugar cube even as dessert. We had ZERO CHOICE as to whether we took those, or not....I call that mandatory, but you can call it whatever ya want. a reply to: Vroomfondel

a reply to: Bearmace

While the influenza virus mutates constantly and requires a yearly shot that offers a certain percentage of protection, old reliable measles needs only a two-dose vaccine during childhood for lifelong immunity. A new study has an explanation: The surface proteins that the measles virus uses to enter cells are ineffective if they suffer any mutation, meaning that any changes to the virus come at a major cost. www.sciencedaily.com...

originally posted by: Bearmace
a reply to: HiddenIdentity

I’d like to note my rubella, hep b, measles, polio, tetanus, diphtheria vaccines are all in working order as well. Lol

Yes they are all 'sterilizing' vaccines!

There's a big difference between 'sterilizing' vaccines and the covid vaccine...... the covid vaccine does not prevent infection.

Unless a vaccine offers sterilizing immunity, there is a chance that the virus can be passed to others even if the infected person has no symptoms.

Covid vaccines are 'leaky/imperfect'.

Look up studies about 'leaky vaccines'.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

latest fake news/ propaganda story. Florida pastor said that his church lost 6 members in 10 days from Covid. All unvaccinated. 4 35 or younger and healthy. He's black so I'm sure that's put out there to scare black people to get the shots. No names, no verification, just his word. Smells like total bull# to me.

www.sciencemag.org...

Summary of article: "... first argued in a Nature paper 14 years ago, by keeping their hosts alive, such "imperfect" or "leaky" vaccines could give deadlier pathogens an edge, allowing them to spread when they would normally burn out quickly."...

" The whole distinction between leaky and nonleaky vaccines is flawed, Hill argues: "Every vaccine is leaky, in that some people don’t get protected by it, some people are partially protected, some people have prevention of disease, and others prevention of infection.” Millions of people around the world receive a shots every month, and there is no evidence that that has ever led to any disease becoming deadlier, "

"What's more, natural immunity should have the same effect, he adds: After we recover from a disease, we usually end up with a limited, “leaky” protection against a pathogen that is not very different from what vaccines achieve"



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a reply to: chr0naut

Out on Cape Cod last month, 75% of new cases had been fully inoculated. That pattern is repeating all over the world as the full effects of mass inoculation with a dangerous experimental drug come to bear.

If you call that effective, we speak different languages.

The shots are bioweapons, just as predicted by Judy Mikovits and so many other dissenting scientists many months ago.

The people have been duped by Pharma, and not for the first time.