I can blow a massive holes in the "must wear masks" montra

a reply to: neutronflux

How does it protect you from the delta variant.

By limiting the amount of aerosols emitted by someone who is infected. Mostly.

Fewer aerosols = lower dose. Lower dose = lower chance of becoming infected.

www.galaxydx.com...
www.nejm.org...

Not perfect but a lot better than nothing.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neutronflux

How does it protect you from the delta variant.

By limiting the amount of aerosols emitted by someone who is infected. Mostly.

Fewer aerosols = lower dose. Lower dose = lower chance of becoming infected.

www.galaxydx.com...
www.nejm.org...

Not perfect but a lot better than nothing.

hmm most mask are NOT CERTIFIED TO PROTECT YOU FROM COVID

the quarantine of healthy people has not worked well at all

so lets destroy lives, kill people (you know those not getting medical procedures and tests as non essential) , suicides, loss jobs, economic collapse , and old people dying alone from OTHER CAUSES .

hmm lets follow your logic phage (to be fair just parroting others) .

lets ban all tobacco products
lets ban all fast food
lets ban all cars that go over 70 MPH
lets even ban ATS to prevent spread of false information

all that can save lives right under "better than nothing"?

you down for that?

hmmmmm

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

hmm most mask are NOT CERTIFIED TO PROTECT YOU FROM COVID

Yeah. But the point is not really to protect the wearer.

so lets destroy lives,

Masks do this?

a reply to: scrounger
Non sequitur and a bunch of straw-men.

a reply to: daskakik

You

After seeing the poor protocol people in my area use

I am not taking protocol. I am talking masks that are ineffective because they don’t seal.


Again. How is a cheap cloth mask / surgical mask that doesn’t seal, allows breath laden with virus if your sick, only relevant if a person is shedding virus, with unfiltered slip by where the skin and fabric meet any different that wearing a N-95 mask with an exit valve?

Now.

Your willing to wear a cheap ineffective mask when mandated? But throw a hiss fit if it’s pointed out if people really want to make a difference they should wear an N-95 mask without an exit valve. Masks know to be efficient. Masks that provide reliable and dependable protection to the person wearing them, and to the people around them.

What sense does that make?

Now

Asymptomatic transmission of covid-19

Viral culture studies suggest that people with SARS-CoV-2 can become infectious one to two days before the onset of symptoms and continue to be infectious up to seven days thereafter; viable virus is relatively short lived.7 Symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission have a greater role in the spread of SARS-CoV-2 than truly asymptomatic transmission.121213

The transmission rates to contacts within a specific group (secondary attack rate) may be 3-25 times lower for people who are asymptomatic than for those with symptoms.1121415 A city-wide prevalence study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan found no evidence of asymptomatic transmission.16

www.bmj.com...

“ A city-wide prevalence study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan found no evidence of asymptomatic transmission”

If I am not sick, and not coughing from covid, what exactly is me wearing a mask doing?

originally posted by: neutronflux
I am not taking protocol. I am talking masks that are ineffective because they don’t seal.

You asked about my personal choice. I gave it and the reason behind it.

Your willing to wear a cheap ineffective mask when mandated? But throw a hiss fit if it’s pointed out if people really want to make a difference they should wear an N-95 mask without an exit valve.

Wrong, I pointed out that "cheap masks do nothing" is incorrect. Not a hissy fit and not even contradicting that point.

Seems to me the crux of the matter in our back and forth is that you can't figure out what is really being said and lump it together with what others are or have been saying.

Take for example the last question in your post. It really has nothing to do with my original point and probably nothing to do with anything I have said.

a reply to: daskakik

You

Wrong, I pointed out that "cheap masks do nothing" is incorrect. Not a hissy fit and not even contradicting that point.

And I cited…

And guess what.

Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't

www.msn.com...

By all means, quote where the article has false information.


I cited something for reference. You keep changing the subject.

a reply to: neutronflux
And that article is talking about the spread of the illness through a population and not whether cheap masks trap "something".

Like I said, you have trouble figuring out what is "actually" being said and how it differs depending on the context.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: neutronflux
And that article is talking about the spread of the illness through a population and not whether cheap masks trap "something".

Like I said, you have trouble figuring out what is "actually" being said and how it differs depending on the context.

Ok. And you have cited anything that proves you have a valid opinion.

While I have done the exact opposite.

Do you have anything to actually cite? Or just your undetected opinion based on zero military/industrial experience? Or the well established field and science of industrial hygiene?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ok. And you have cited anything that proves you have a valid opinion.

While I have done the exact opposite.

Actually, the study on masks that you cited to critique cloth/paper towel masks also shows non sealing masks (surgical) doing something, compared to using nothing.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ok. And you have cited anything that proves you have a valid opinion.

While I have done the exact opposite.

Actually, the study on masks that you cited to critique cloth/paper towel masks also shows non sealing masks (surgical) doing something, compared to using nothing.

Define “something” in terms of measurable and reliably preventing illness beyond error of analysis.

a reply to: neutronflux
No, because preventing illness goes beyond just a mask being able to trap something, which even cheap leaky masks do, and that was all I was saying.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: neutronflux
No, because preventing illness goes beyond just a mask being able to trap something, which even cheap leaky masks do, and that was all I was saying.

Ok?


Having 1000 people try to soak up a 100 foot tall tsunami with hand sponges like the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami is doing “something”. You could even ring out the sponges, and measure the water collected. But that doesn’t mean they will lessen the spread of damage in anyway. And the people acting like speed bumps by dipping in the sponges would probably have more effect in slowing the tsunami than the water capture with the sponges.

a reply to: daskakik

The best laid plans of mice and men I suppose..

a reply to: neutronflux
Apples and oranges.

Still, doesn't change the fact that "cheap masks do nothing" is inaccurate and that was all I said.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: neutronflux
Apples and oranges.

Still, doesn't change the fact that "cheap masks do nothing" is inaccurate and that was all I said.

Ok. What proof do you have they measurable stop illnesses in anyway?

And “something” is no proof.

a reply to: daskakik

Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't


www.msn.com...





He goes on to cite several trials conducted over the past several years, each of which found that cloth masks and surgical masks offer very little to no benefit at all. The one trial that specifically tested masks against COVID-19 was a 2020 study in Denmark with 4,800 participants. The researchers found that “1.8 percent of those in the mask group and 2.1 percent of those in the control group became infected with Covid-19 within a month, with this 0.3-point difference not being statistically significant,” Anderson writes.

I thought you claimed “ Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't” showed masks do something?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ok. What proof do you have they measurable stop illnesses in anyway?

Never said there was any.

You really do have trouble grasping what is really being said.

ETA:

I thought you claimed “ Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't” showed masks do something?

No, I said the study from nature showed that.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ok. What proof do you have they measurable stop illnesses in anyway?

Never said there was any.

You really do have trouble grasping what is really being said.

And you seem to have trouble reading cited sources. Look above.

a reply to: daskakik

So like the “ Denmark with 4,800 participants mask study”. I stand by tsunami example that doing something doesn’t always equate to measurable changes in spread.