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posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:36 PM
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I think it's a valid question.

Is it possible to artificially alter a virus in a way that the human immune system would be unable to create antibodies?



a reply to: chr0naut



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.
edit on 3-8-2021 by vonclod because: missed a word, context not changed



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

Since 4.1 billion people have already received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine of some sort, and most of those vaccines have been under test since about March 2020, with very few adverse effects, don't you think the experimental phase is well and truly over, now we have proof of both effectiveness and safety?

so you can link me to the FDA approval?


There are three vaccines approved for emergency use in the USA, so there are three of them which you can reference from here:

COVID-19 Vaccines - FDA



Out of 198,821,310 cases worldwide, 4.234.360 have died from it in the space of a year and a half. That's more than 2% case mortality. In easier to understand numbers, that's 2 people out of every hundred.

In the US alone 613,866 have died from COVID-19. To put that into perspective, the largest capacity stadium in the US, Michigan Stadium, holds 107,301 people. So that's the equivalent of more than 5.7 Michigan Stadiums full of people who have all died of COVID-19, just in the US alone, in the last year and two thirds. That many people.
I'm poor at maths. what percentage is 606,000 (deaths from the rona) from 340,000,000? (US population)
Just so I have a good idea of the severity of this disease as opposed to other things.


That would be 1.7% CFR, which is equivalent to 1 person in a hundred dying, and the other seven tenths of a person probably being dead because they would be missing a chunk of essential organs and stuff.





If the world goes to hell in a hand-basket, then I really don't think ATS will be around, so our words would be as forgotten as an Egyptian Pharaohs' favorite popular musician.

However, in a few months, the phase 4 testing of the COVID-19 vaccines will be over, and my guess is that you'll still be calling them experimental.

And there are other things I predict, alongside, and related to, when this happens: There will have been no economic reset, no new world order, no apocalypse. That was really all doom-porn, as is already fairly apparent.

And as the years roll on, my words will stand testament to that, and your words will stand testament to your opinions.
Yes, your words will be here as long as the internet is. For all to see.


Yours too.


your maths are worse than mine. 1 in every 100 did not die. If you divide 606,000 by 340,000,000 you get .0017 or 0.17%
Jesus, now I understand your fear. You must be scared to death you poor dear.

But emergency use is not FDA approved. If you doubt that, let me know and I can try to find you a link.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
I think it's a valid question.

Is it possible to artificially alter a virus in a way that the human immune system would be unable to create antibodies?

a reply to: chr0naut


I have no idea but I suspect not, at least with a virus.

It would be far easier to make a pathogen that infected faster, and killed faster, before the immune system could react. You'd probably use something like Anthrax or Necrotizing Fasciitis as a basis and go from there. A coronavirus, not so much.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:47 PM
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Well I've just started getting flu/cold/wufoo symptoms and not had the jab (All the family have)
Let's see how my natural immune system holds up.
I'll let you all know if I come down with anything serious.
I'm 50+ and have no underlying health problems that I know about.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: nonspecific
I think it's a valid question.

Is it possible to artificially alter a virus in a way that the human immune system would be unable to create antibodies?

a reply to: chr0naut


I have no idea but I suspect not, at least with a virus.

It would be far easier to make a pathogen that infected faster, and killed faster, before the immune system could react. You'd probably use something like Anthrax or Necrotizing Fasciitis as a basis and go from there. A coronavirus, not so much.

I'm not suggesting CV is weaponized, the ones you suggest, are clearly intended to be weapons, in my uneducated opinion.. lol, I think this is gain of function research gone astray/escaped.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.


While the aged with comorbidities are still most at risk, the Delta variant has killed some younger people who should be otherwise healthy.

I think people don't understand that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, and kills that way. The mechanism is believed to be that the virus uses ACE2 to enter the cell, but to exit the cell afterwards, it has to inhibit ACE2 function, or otherwise the virus would get stuck at the cell wall. The inhibition of ACE2 is a primary cause of COVID-19 induced pneumonia. The Delta strain is allegedly more likely to cause pneumonia than the ancestral strain, but I haven't delved into the statistics or biochemistry myself to verify that.

edit on 3/8/2021 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
Well I've just started getting flu/cold/wufoo symptoms and not had the jab (All the family have)
Let's see how my natural immune system holds up.
I'll let you all know if I come down with anything serious.
I'm 50+ and have no underlying health problems that I know about.


As mentioned, it could be just a cold or flu.

You should get yourself tested if you want to know. Also, if things go bad, you and your medical support could hit the ground running if you don't have to wait for results.

edit on 3/8/2021 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.


While the aged with comorbidities are still most at risk, the Delta variant has killed some younger people who should be otherwise healthy.

I think people don't understand that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, and kills that way. The mechanism is believed to be that the virus uses ACE2 to enter the cell, but to exit the cell afterwards, it has to inhibit ACE2 function, or otherwise the virus would get stuck at the cell wall. The inhibition of ACE2 is a primary cause of COVID-19 induced pneumonia. The Delta strain is allegedly more likely to cause pneumonia than the ancestral strain, but I haven't delved into the statistics or biochemistry myself to verify that.

My understanding is, Delta does hit the younger more frequently, I understand that pneumonia is the killer as well, I appreciate the technical info on the possible mechanics.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

Since 4.1 billion people have already received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine of some sort, and most of those vaccines have been under test since about March 2020, with very few adverse effects, don't you think the experimental phase is well and truly over, now we have proof of both effectiveness and safety?

so you can link me to the FDA approval?


There are three vaccines approved for emergency use in the USA, so there are three of them which you can reference from here:

COVID-19 Vaccines - FDA



Out of 198,821,310 cases worldwide, 4.234.360 have died from it in the space of a year and a half. That's more than 2% case mortality. In easier to understand numbers, that's 2 people out of every hundred.

In the US alone 613,866 have died from COVID-19. To put that into perspective, the largest capacity stadium in the US, Michigan Stadium, holds 107,301 people. So that's the equivalent of more than 5.7 Michigan Stadiums full of people who have all died of COVID-19, just in the US alone, in the last year and two thirds. That many people.
I'm poor at maths. what percentage is 606,000 (deaths from the rona) from 340,000,000? (US population)
Just so I have a good idea of the severity of this disease as opposed to other things.


That would be 1.7% CFR, which is equivalent to 1 person in a hundred dying, and the other seven tenths of a person probably being dead because they would be missing a chunk of essential organs and stuff.





If the world goes to hell in a hand-basket, then I really don't think ATS will be around, so our words would be as forgotten as an Egyptian Pharaohs' favorite popular musician.

However, in a few months, the phase 4 testing of the COVID-19 vaccines will be over, and my guess is that you'll still be calling them experimental.

And there are other things I predict, alongside, and related to, when this happens: There will have been no economic reset, no new world order, no apocalypse. That was really all doom-porn, as is already fairly apparent.

And as the years roll on, my words will stand testament to that, and your words will stand testament to your opinions.
Yes, your words will be here as long as the internet is. For all to see.


Yours too.


your maths are worse than mine. 1 in every 100 did not die. If you divide 606,000 by 340,000,000 you get .0017 or 0.17%
Jesus, now I understand your fear. You must be scared to death you poor dear.


340,000,000 is the number of Americans, not the number who have tested positive for COVID-19. The number I quoted is the case-fatality ratio. People who have not got the virus, can't die from it, so using total population is just irrelevant - a placatory misuse of statistics.


But emergency use is not FDA approved. If you doubt that, let me know and I can try to find you a link.


Knock yourself out.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.


While the aged with comorbidities are still most at risk, the Delta variant has killed some younger people who should be otherwise healthy.


as has the vaccines



I think people don't understand that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, and kills that way. The mechanism is believed to be that the virus uses ACE2 to enter the cell, but to exit the cell afterwards, it has to inhibit ACE2 function, or otherwise the virus would get stuck at the cell wall. The inhibition of ACE2 is a primary cause of COVID-19 induced pneumonia. The Delta strain is allegedly more likely to cause pneumonia than the ancestral strain, but I haven't delved into the statistics or biochemistry myself to verify that.


they say blood clots caused massive heart attacks in a few.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.


While the aged with comorbidities are still most at risk, the Delta variant has killed some younger people who should be otherwise healthy.


as has the vaccines



I think people don't understand that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, and kills that way. The mechanism is believed to be that the virus uses ACE2 to enter the cell, but to exit the cell afterwards, it has to inhibit ACE2 function, or otherwise the virus would get stuck at the cell wall. The inhibition of ACE2 is a primary cause of COVID-19 induced pneumonia. The Delta strain is allegedly more likely to cause pneumonia than the ancestral strain, but I haven't delved into the statistics or biochemistry myself to verify that.


they say blood clots caused massive heart attacks in a few.


Yes, but I thought that was related specifically to the vaccines, not the virus?

Also, heart attack is the loss of the sinus rhythm, causing defibrillation. This is usually caused by interference in the Calcium channels that transmit the rhythm across the heart (like from inflammation). There are several steps that have to occur for a blood clot to cause loss of sinus rhythm. Blood clots are more likely to kill by stroke than by heart attack, so I think there may be some questions around increased numbers of heart attacks being from the virus, or from the vaccine, from a biochemical perspective.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Isn't that just one tenth of one percent? .0017

Or 1 person out of every 561? Did I do that right?



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

At this point in time after almost 2 years there is no way in hell everyone has not been exposed. Everyone. So the total population still is a factor.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Loser Joe Biden's inflation in America is a problem.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
... In a science based world, it would be an important variable to keep track of.

This isn't a science based world though. If I had to pick one word to replace "science" in that expression, I'd go with "propaganda" or "philosophy". At least that's what I see the most in what is being promoted (marketed/propagandized in favor of) by the most influential figures in the sciences, unverified (and often unverifiable) philosophies/ideas. In so doing they function more as philosophers trying to sell/market their philosophies to their audience rather than scientists, and more as politicians when they're selling themselves (their expertise and their supposed potential contributions to the sciences).

Fraud in Science​—It Makes the Headlines (Awake!—1990)
Fraud in Science​—Why It’s on the Increase
Fraud in Science​—A Greater Fraud
Fraud in Science​—The Greatest Fraud of All

Evolutionists say: ‘Evolution is a fact; God is a myth.’ They have proof for neither, but prejudice needs no proof.

PRIVATE PROPERTY. Keep Out. This Means You, God! Evolutionists post the subject of biology and tell God to stay out of it. ‘All competent scientists believe evolution,’ they say. Which also says, in effect: ‘Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they lack our expertise.’ As for God, they say he has no place in scientific thinking. Moreover, even his existence is not provable.

The New Biology, by Robert Augros and George Stanciu, highlights on page 188 some of the statements of prominent scientists who brush God aside: “The common opinion holds that Darwin rid biology of the need for God once and for all. Eldredge says, Darwin ‘taught us that we can understand life’s history in purely naturalistic terms, without recourse to the supernatural or divine.’ Julian Huxley said: ‘Darwinism removed the whole idea of God as a creator of organisms from the sphere of rational discussion.’ Jacob writes: ‘The idea that each species was separately designed by a Creator, was demolished by Darwin.’ And Simpson writes of the origin of the first organism: ‘There is, at any rate, no reason to postulate a miracle. Nor is it necessary to suppose that the origin of the new processes of reproduction and mutation was anything but materialistic.’”

‘But does not this leave life on earth without a Creator-​Designer?’ you ask. ‘None needed,’ evolutionists answer. ‘It is in the lap of chance. Blind chance is the designer. We call it Natural Selection.’

But the more we learn, the more design we see. The input of intelligence and wisdom is staggering. Is it not too much for blind, unthinking, brainless chance to handle? Consider just a few of the hundreds of devices in nature that reflect creative wisdom​—which human inventors have frequently copied.

...



...

To come up with all this design and instinctive wisdom demands an intelligence far beyond man’s. (Proverbs 30:24) But some of the most amazing examples are to be found in the world of the infinitely small​—where evolutionists hoped to see the simple beginning of life to start evolution on its upward climb to the obviously complex designs everywhere—​including us. Simple beginning? No such thing! Consider the complexities reflecting intelligent design in the tiniest cells.

...



Coming back to (and then skipping a lot from the article):

... ‘None needed,’ evolutionists answer. ‘It is in the lap of chance. Blind chance is the designer. We call it Natural Selection.’

...

It takes tremendous credulity to think that intelligence of this magnitude resides in blind, brainless chance. It is a faith comparable to that of the pagan religionists of the prophet Isaiah’s time: “But you men are those leaving Jehovah, those forgetting my holy mountain, those setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck and those filling up mixed wine for the god of Destiny.” (Isaiah 65:11) Evolutionists look to millions of “lucky” chances to produce man from rock, but they haven’t got off the ground to reach the first rung of their evolutionary ladder. Their “god of Good Luck” is a bruised reed.

...

Alice, in the tale Through the Looking-​Glass, incredulous at the strange logic of the White Queen, could only laugh. “There’s no use trying,” she said. “One can’t believe impossible things.” The queen responded: “I dare say you haven’t had much practice. When I was your age I did it for half an hour a day. Why sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

Evolutionists are the White Queens of today. They have had infinite practice in believing impossible things.

And then selling/marketing it to their (potential) audience or market. Just like a propagandist usually does with political* ideologies and views. *: not limited to that type, religious philosophies and views can also be categorized as propaganda and those promoting them as propagandists (people are just more familiar with politically motivated propaganda so I used that as an example of being very similar):

The Pagan Religious Roots of Evolutionary Philosophies and Philosophical Naturalism (part 1 of 2)
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posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: chr0naut

At this point in time after almost 2 years there is no way in hell everyone has not been exposed. Everyone. So the total population still is a factor.


At the infection rates observed for the US public, and assuming a fairly linear growth (which would be an invalid assumption), it would take another 14 years to affect everyone in the US.

There is a big population in the US and there are some natural barriers and limits to transmission.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vonclod
So, I guess I'll say it again, since I got no reply the 1st time..does natural immunity work on a lab made, UNNATURAL gain of function virus. I think it's a valid question.


Why would you think it would be any different?

Well, something unnatural and engineered might not respond the same as a natural virus..natural ones can be bad enough. I don't claim to know, just pushing some buttons, all the, I'm healthy, I take vitamins, I have natural immunity..I dunno.

This thing at times, has no rhyme or reason as to who gets hit hard. The obvious people can go down, elderly/comorbidities, but what about some of the seemingly young and healthy.


While the aged with comorbidities are still most at risk, the Delta variant has killed some younger people who should be otherwise healthy.


as has the vaccines



I think people don't understand that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, and kills that way. The mechanism is believed to be that the virus uses ACE2 to enter the cell, but to exit the cell afterwards, it has to inhibit ACE2 function, or otherwise the virus would get stuck at the cell wall. The inhibition of ACE2 is a primary cause of COVID-19 induced pneumonia. The Delta strain is allegedly more likely to cause pneumonia than the ancestral strain, but I haven't delved into the statistics or biochemistry myself to verify that.


they say blood clots caused massive heart attacks in a few.


Yes, but I thought that was related specifically to the vaccines, not the virus?

Also, heart attack is the loss of the sinus rhythm, causing defibrillation. This is usually caused by interference in the Calcium channels that transmit the rhythm across the heart (like from inflammation). There are several steps that have to occur for a blood clot to cause loss of sinus rhythm. Blood clots are more likely to kill by stroke than by heart attack, so I think there may be some questions around increased numbers of heart attacks being from the virus, or from the vaccine, from a biochemical perspective.

yes, as I said.



posted on Aug, 3 2021 @ 04:20 PM
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So they increase the price and it's because biden?

And China I'm assuming, it's always China these days isn't it.


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posted on Aug, 5 2021 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: carewemust




3.) The vaccines could be to protect us from a highly-classified threat from beyond Earth.


LMAO, love that!




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