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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: dandandat2
Not until the soul has learned to endure the greatest hardships this plane of existence can create does it then move to the next.
What if a soul needs to repeat a challenge, say, a dozen times, might we think that it has little to no memory of the eleven times is has not succeeded? Should this scenario be I think that it would not have that memory as we have only a few stories of people who claim to have those memories. See where I'm going with this ?
There are these stories if, how to put this, miracle kids who have proven knowledge of the life of some dead person for a few years until they themselves grow up. There are a few of those I have read. Likewise there are many examples of people who seem pulled to this or that that seems to express familiarity with some other life or time or place? Right? But mostly we live, and mostly here is ''way mostly'', without knowledge or even attraction to any other life than our present life.
This then would mean that for the vast majority of anyone's lives, make that ''everyone's'' lives we go though those lives unconscious of what is really happening to us. A baker a book salesman, a soldier, what ever , does those things we do and somehow, that challenge holds over from one life to the next until it is met. I think that coincides with what you are suggesting.
The next question I arrive at is the nature of these ''challenges''. Who or what sets them. Do you think they might be set by some kind of unconscious and automatic law or function of existence? Might they be conscious challenges established by a larger ''soul'' that is an accumulation of all those previous lives looking to continue on this path of progression.
This leads me to consider that maybe these challenges are not challenges so much as goals. These challenges or goals seem to be met for the most part unconsciously from this standpoint.
I think I might have gone on rambling here trying to get to a thought that has eluded me. Maybe next time.
I think I might have gone on rambling here trying to get to a thought that has eluded me. Maybe next time.
originally posted by: dandandat2
What if "Karma" and "Reincarnation" actually works backwards from the traditional idea that good deeds and good life choices bring about a better next life?
What if instead the point of "Karma" and "Reincarnation" is to subject a soul to an ever increasing set of challenges. Like a cosmetic version of a 1980s video game; if you find a way to master this level you will find the next level to be even harder.
When a soul first starts out its journey its treated to an easy life full of resources and wealth; And as the soul progress its skills it's treated to more and more hardship in order to test and push the soul to become more versatile and strong.
The soul inhibiting Jeff Bezos' body is but a infinite and could never withstand a life in inner-city squalor.
Not until the soul has learned to endure the greatest hardships this plane of existence can create does it then move to the next.
only to come back from higher plane of existence, because you screwed on one stat point.
Matthew 7:21 NIV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
And the idea that this "hereness" is the being incarnate, so what would reincarnation mean... that we are not being here, that our minds are focused on imaginary things outside of the hereness? Idk.
Perhaps the physical reality of the hardships are less important than the mental or spiritual hardships. The soul doesn't remember its past physical life but it does retain the mental and spiritual capacity that it has learned.
The man doesn't remember that in his past life he went hungry as a penny less vagrant but his soul does remember how to effectively deal with that hunger. A tool it will need to use in its new more impoverished life.
Who sets the goals? No one; the goals just exist as a substance of the universe to be understood and over come.
This is not to discount the possibility of higher "god like" forms of the soul. When the soul has endured all the challenges of this plane of existence it might move on to a higher plane.
I'm now inclined to be my body, and love it. Not be inside it, not be outside of it, but be it. I have been saying for awhile now that we are our bodies, literally. People do not like it when I say such things, lol.