No More Bacon for Californians

a reply to: projectvxn

They aren't banning pork. They're making regulations for better conditions. And conditions for livestock is usually already really bad.

Unless you have absolutely no empathy for other living beings, i don't see how this is a bad thing.

IMO, all of the u.s. should be enforcing better living conditions.

a reply to: BrokenCircles

If i know meat eaters, they aren't going to suddenly switch to beyond meat or impossible's bacon because it's more expensive/harder to find.

The only nonsense is how people could care less if animals suffer their whole lives with no comfort for the benefit of your wallet.

i don't like farmed pork now that i get a shipment twice a year from my bother in law of good smoked wild hog from texas.
because wild hog bacon is not farmed it would be legal in calif and it has a lot less fat and taste a lot better.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Trueman

I heard about a week or two ago,they had a recall on chicken,
millions of pounds of it.It has already began,shortages here and
shortages there.

I went to a Chuck E Cheese a few weeks ago. I attempted to order pizza and wings. "Sorry sir, we don't have any wings. You didn't hear about the National Wing Shortage?" Me: "No". (my head was saying, "No, I don't watch TV. The only Marx allowed on my TV are Groucho, Harpo and Zeppo"

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: projectvxn

They aren't banning pork. They're making regulations for better conditions. And conditions for livestock is usually already really bad.

Unless you have absolutely no empathy for other living beings, i don't see how this is a bad thing.

IMO, all of the u.s. should be enforcing better living conditions.

Dude pigs literally lie in mud all day I wouldn’t call those suitable conditions but that’s what they like

Also pigs aren’t living beings they’re animals

Those who like pork will just have to move to one of the other states. This is bad for the rest of the country, there are a lot of really disruptive people in California who love bacon.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Animals are living beings. Beings isn't specific to humans.

No one is complaining about pigs getting muddy or being in conditions that humans find uncomfortable.

Should pigs suffer constant stress, pain, and discomfort simply because its cheap to do so?

That is the type of question being asked. Also, pigs have high intelligence. Especially when put up against a dog.

Would you cram a bunch of dogs into a cage and force them to live in discomfort and pain?

If you can't go beyond your tastebuds to emphasize with another living being, then maybe you're no better than an animal. Just an animal with higher intelligence.

originally posted by: ANNED
i don't like farmed pork now that i get a shipment twice a year from my bother in law of good smoked wild hog from texas.
because wild hog bacon is not farmed it would be legal in calif and it has a lot less fat and taste a lot better.

THey wouldn't like it. Someone likely shot it with an AR-15.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Animals are living beings. Beings isn't specific to humans.

No one is complaining about pigs getting muddy or being in conditions that humans find uncomfortable.

Should pigs suffer constant stress, pain, and discomfort simply because its cheap to do so?

That is the type of question being asked. Also, pigs have high intelligence. Especially when put up against a dog.

Would you cram a bunch of dogs into a cage and force them to live in discomfort and pain?

If you can't go beyond your tastebuds to emphasize with another living being, then maybe you're no better than an animal. Just an animal with higher intelligence.

lol

This is from the party of abortions.

LOVE the irony.

Keep it up!

a reply to: 38181

I vouch for you. I have same issue from Covid. Bacon sucks now along with toothpaste, certain alcohol and I can’t go dow the detergent aisle in a grocery store without feeling the need to gag. It’s f’ed up.

a reply to: Trueman

California is a total #hole of a state, a #show run by #heads and endorsed by a majority of equally #-for-brains voters. There's no candy coating #... which is exactly the word I'd use to describe all things California.

Less rats, more cheese... those of us in the non-retarded portions of the USA will certainly pick up the slack and enjoy California's previous shore of America's pork goodness.

a reply to: Trueman

I’ve had mass produced bacon, and I’ve had free range happily raised bacon.
The taste between the two are shocking.

The farm raised bacon was not salty, it was not overly fatty, it was perfect.
I say WAS, because the little farm I got it from went belly up (pun intended)
Unfortunately too many people will not pay more for quality vs quantity.

What California is asking is not crazy, it really isn’t if you read what they are actually asking.
I’m no Cali fan, but this should actually be the rule for pork, not the exception.

I grew up in Europe and the biggest culture shock I went through coming back to the states was the poor quality of every day food.
We deserve better, we have to start with believing that we do, and being ok with paying a little more for it

a reply to: JAGStorm

A lot of times "not crazy" to you is crazy when you're sitting on the other end of the bank accounts that have to finance it, just like your remarks about not wanting to pay more for quality over quantity. It's not always about people being cheap. It's sometimes about people having no choice.

originally posted by: Trueman
This is something no ATSer ever thought could happen one day, the worst doom porn and a biblical sign of the end of times. Breakfast won't be the same and baconators with that Canadian "alternative" would be a profanity.

At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules. Unless the courts intervene or the state temporarily allows non-compliant meat to be sold in the state, California will lose almost all of its pork supply,...

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against cruelty with animals. Also think breeders had more than enough time to make the adjustments they need to do, the law was approved in 2018.

www.msn.com...

Itis bill gates who now owns most of the food production in the U.S and it is bill gates that wants to stop actual meat production and replace it with synthetic meat. This aligns perfectly with that.

www.technologyreview.com...

Bill Gates: Rich nations should shift entirely to synthetic beef

Looks like it is already taking place.

a reply to: Trueman

If you're against animal cruelty then you should support the new law.

effJeff Hansen, who owns Iowa’s largest hog operation, brought about 5 million pigs to market last year. Each one spent its entire life in a windowless metal shed called a confinement. Passing clusters of the massive sheds on the rural highways, you wouldn’t imagine that a standard confinement holds almost 2,500 pigs — unless the wind wafted the thick stench of manure in your direction. The manure drops through a shed’s slatted floors and collects in a deep pool below. Often, that pool will run through a pipe to a manure pond or lagoon that holds the overflow.

Hansen’s company, Iowa Select Farms, employs more than 7,400 people, including contractors, and has built hundreds of confinement sheds in more than 50 of Iowa’s 99 counties. Since they began to arrive in the 1990s, these sheds have provoked controversy. Citing damage to health, livelihoods, property values, the environment, and the farm economy, rural communities in Iowa have campaigned fiercely against them.

Factory farming is the height of animal cruelty.

By the early ’90s, he was bringing in $90 million a year assembling the confinement sheds that would take over Iowa’s hog industry: concentrated animal feeding operations, known as CAFOs.

CAFOs had already transformed the poultry industry in the mid-South during the ’50s and ’60s and were first extensively used in the late 1980s with hogs in North Carolina. CAFOs allow operators to farrow thousands of pigs in one barn, a model that depends on liberal use of antibiotics to prevent diseases that thrive in crowded conditions. After weaning, the pigs are transferred to a finishing operation. Their next transfer is their last — to the slaughterhouse. These two trips in a packed semi are the only daylight the pigs will ever see.
www.vox.com...

a reply to: gortex

It is pretty gross, no doubt. But when you have meat it's much easier to make a substantial and satisfying meal.

My nephew has been killing a wild pig in his yard every month or so. Smoked pork, fried pork, grilled pork, baked pork.

a reply to: Phage

I'm not arguing against meat Phage , if we are to eat an animal we should at least give that animal the freedom to do what they do in nature not lock them indoors in crowded pens all their lives and pump them full of antibiotics to mitigate the problems that causes.

Cheap meat = animal cruelty.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Trueman

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And the leftists voted for these people!

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why am I not surprised you support poor animal welfare standards.

Typical righty?

So....mass import of those Lone Star ticks that make you into a vegan seems to be in order. But maybe now with the farming of meat austerity measures, California can squeak by on the not enough water problem, perhaps?

a reply to: Trueman

Seriously, folk, the meat that most people eat in America is garbage. It's raised in terrible conditions, pumped full of chemicals, and in the case of pigs often fed the remains of other pigs which is a recipe for disease transmission.

It's not uncommon for cows to be so pumped full of chemicals that their bodies inflate to such an extent that their feet aren't able to take the weight and they split under the strain.

US meat is so bad that it's not considered fit for human consumption in half the world.

Yes, these measures will push up the price of pork, but you will be getting better quality pork from it, and farmers will see a decrease in communicable diseases like swine flu.