Is the woke movement another form of control and suppression.

I have my thoughts on The woke movement as another form of control and suppression.

I work with some stupid gen z’s Young 20 year olds. I made a comment at work due to dan Andrews draconian lockdowns, to one of my colleagues who is polish, my grandfather was a Russian soldier who survived the war and the atrocities he witnessed I could not imagine, he fought in world 2.

My polish colleague had family lost to the germans. I said in passing due to the harsh lockdowns, curfews this seems not all that different to Nazi control.

Within 5 minutes, I was taken to an office by my manager asking why did I use the word Nazi.

This gen whatever over heard only that bit of the convo and reported me, he. Claims he is Woke etc.

I was only speaking from family stories to a colleague who understood what I meant.

These gen y’ers seem to wanting to suppress everything they don’t like saying they are woke, though only to what is acceptable to them.

Why should I be censored just cause you don’t like what I have to say.

Just cause something does not fit your narrative, allow me my free speech!

a reply to: robsmith

Relax, it's just the attempt to harness the power of puberty for political reasons...

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Thing with that "free speech" is nothing is really free, as there is always a price to be paid, in one form or another.

Freedom, just like security, are illusory concepts at best, but none the less illusions that humanity cannot live without.

There is a happy medium to be had in there somewhere but we are never going to accommodate everyone given that humans are such an imperfect animal and no two people are alike.

That don't mean we should not attempt to strive towards a measure of equality for all.

To be honest, I don't think the 'woke' thing is any type of centralized 'thing'. I believe this is just the progression of society, as it always does with each new (or every other new) generation.

I'm 39 and over the last 5-10 years or so, I've started looking at the younger groups and saying "wtf?" Then I stop myself and realize, 'wow, these are the things my parents said about my generation'.

Take, for example, the 'hippie' generation. The music, the culture, the plethora of drugs and experimentation used to give Mom & Dad mini-strokes (hyperbole).

To showcase what I'm referencing, here is an article written in 1970, in the Grant County Press, titled " 'Fed-up' father 'It's time to take charge of our kids.' " news.google.com...,2122552

These gripes have been lodged with probably every 39+ member of society throughout history. Values change, visions of what is 'better' changes. Video games were seen as terrible things, different kinds of music, different kinds of dress, etc., were all seen - at one point - as evidence that the future of humanity is bleak.

While perhaps there was merit to some of the complaints, I believe the rest of it was simply that older people got used to life in one way and lost their youthful need to 'change the world', then ended up forgetting that at one point, they too bucked the trends of their forbearers.

I can see the new generation's need to NEVER be offended by anything as problematic for the future. I believe this may very well drive us into some form of authoritarianism to 'control' the masses. But I do not believe this was necessarily a centralized plan, concocted by those who wish to dominate everyone else.

I do, however, readily admit that I could be wrong. But given the repetition of these changes over the centuries, and realizing that my parents once said similar things about me and my generation, I believe this is just par-for-the-course of progression in our society. Please do not take my usage of progression to mean that I see it as a good - just that it is trotting forth.

I do not like this new version of what they believe the world should be -- where no one may endure conflict or embarrassment -- I also concede that it is not necessarily my world they are changing, necessarily; it is the world they are creating for themselves and then eventually have those same thoughts about their kids.


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You seem pretty knowledgeable do you know who Edward Louis Bernays is and what he did? How he weaponized propaganda in order to shape world views and reality’s as seen fit to measure able means and effect.

He managed to make women’s suffrage about the right to smoke for one example.

His direct descendant Marc Bernays Randolf is the co-founder of Netflix. It’s by design.
This is just one single case but there are many of them.
a reply to: BatSars

Marxist class warfare backfired in the USA.

Critical race theory is the closest thing that has gained traction for the USA.


What do you not get about by any means possible.

Florida Democrats, progressives and Black Lives Matter torn on Cuba response

www.tampabay.com...

On Thursday, the organization made its position public. The statement didn’t include support for the protests or call out violence from the Cuban military and police. Instead, it focused on a call to end the U.S. embargo.

“The DPCF demands the one thing that the United States has within its power to do right now that we know will immediately and measurably improve the lives of the Cuban people suffering on the island: President Biden, lift the Cuban embargo now!” the organization said.

Why not the call to banned Cuban police…..

Yes, but I also understand that what he did (and what marketing psychologists continue to do) is a consequence of capitalism and trying to get a leg up on the market, etc.

I don't believe Bernays was behind some cabal but realized there was a way to get people (women in particular) to smoke by suggesting it as a weight loss program or 'empowering'.

Think about it - companies want to capture the market currently and our country is now filled with younger people who cry whenever they are triggered, so companies will play along, or even play into that, to gain customers.

And when you realize that only a handful of companies own everything, anything that becomes a marketable thing (societal changes, for example), will take on the appearance as being a vision of oligarchy, simply because they all start getting behind those movements, though I believe that's more about money than it is control. Then their donations go to our representatives who then also push for those things, which further gives the illusion that companies "care," etc.

Now I'm not saying that those in power won't ALSO capitalize on this and harness it for their own ends (authoritarianism, for example), but I believe the movement grew legs of its own. Makes me think about the trophy kids that came about when parents felt bad for their kids and demanded acknowledgment of participation.

I think a lot of this comes from society's need to complain about things. Once women gained full rights, the next form of feminism reared its ugly head while LGBTQ also gained steam. Once all of these "wrongs" are 'fixed', the younger people end up complaining about something else, needing SOMETHING to gather and protest collectively. I see it more as a function of the mob and wanting to feel part of something bigger than themselves. Now that everyone is largely equal, the only things left to 'fix' are petty, nitpicky, ridiculous things. lol

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This short video covers your Man Bernays rather well.

I have my thoughts on The woke movement as another form of control and suppression.

a reply to: robsmith


Not intending to sound snark but it may seem like it but, Yes of course it is. I thought this was obvious to anyone who does not live in a social media bubble.

I mean when you see them creating laws like in new york where they can all of a sudden fine you up to 200.000 and be given jailtime for refusing to use someone's made up pronouns that are not even in any dictionary it should have become clear to most people a long time ago.

They now have invaded the schools from kindergarten and up. Speak out to school boards about it and they walk away or turn of your mic. Disagree with them and lose your job even in the military, get all your social media accounts banned or even arrested. Say "All lives matter" and you are labeled a racist. Ask why there is no heterosexual pride month and you are a hater, also ending your career. If you don't vote biden you can't be black.

Entire schedules in schools and university are filled up with nothing but classes teaching kids that they are racist or a victim of it and how to be gay and trans from the age 5 and upwards.

They changed laws that say that it is legal to give others knowingly HIV Pedophilia is now not a mental disorder anymore but a sexual orientation just like being trans, They started with that. Pedos are kept out of prison wherever it is possible for them. While gay choirs, nickelodeon, Hasbro and many more are coming for your kids and they are by now in such a position that they dare to simply say it.

The ones pushing this know that its obvious by now and they are happy about it.
I could go on for pages but this small example alone already proves itself because all that i mention here has and is happening. But if anyone still has to walk around and go "gee, i wonder who or what is in control" then imo that person has not been paying attention at all.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Athetos

This short video covers your Man Bernays rather well.

I was telling a friend about Bernays just a few days ago. I would give a lot more than just 1 star for posting that here if i could.

Sure I agree with you with most of that except about it being a symptom of capitalism because again we see this same technique used across the political spectrum by companies and governments alike. It works in America it works in China it works in Russia it works in the Philippines.

It’s not always to turn a profit sometimes it’s to turn the page. A slow subtle nudge in a particular direction to change the societal moors. It’s interesting stuff anyway.

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It's always a smart ploy to discuss politics at work. Now that you have that topic under your belt why don't you try religion next?

I think the best way to decide if it is political or a fad is to see how these ideas are used by those that govern.
It all starts with good intentions.
The hippies made free love and took drugs because, why not? It didn't make sense not to do this. Depending on doing it moderately, like everything else in life.
However most people I knwo of that age group are just old normal people. With very few still being kind of wild.

Nowadays the good intention was to include those they 'felt' were not represented enough [which may well be true] and those that got bullied for their need to dress up like the opposite gender.
This now has escalated to accepting all men in dresses as women to the detriment of women. As seen in sports or women only spaces. Thats' not cool.

Furthermore now you get fined or even arrested for not playing this silly game. Hence it's not right. You can't stop others from being bullied and then go and bully the majority.

You can't hire people just because their skin has a certain hue, rather than hire by merit.

You can't force women into roles in movies that no women is actually interested in. Yeah I know some women like action movies but lets face it, it's mostly men that enjoy explosions, chases and shoot outs. If you stick women in the main role, that doesn't make it more interesting, it just drives the men away, unless the ladies in question show a bit of cleavage.
But that would be sexist. So you get an ugly broad playing a man's role in a film for men.

I don't knwo if it is political but it sure is dumb and unnatural as hell.

We can accept and not bully men in dresses without having to agree with their sentiment. We can accept women without making them fight like a 7 foot tall boxer, we can hire competent black people without having to hire duds just because their hue is right.

If we can't, then we are literally not adult enough as a species.

a reply to: robsmith

They don't have pube hair yet, and the jewels haven't descended yet, either.

In other words, he's just having a fit about it nature being way late to the club, and is misdirecting his anger.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: robsmith

It's always a smart ploy to discuss politics at work. Now that you have that topic under your belt why don't you try religion next?

That's the first thing my Dad told me as I borrowed his old briefcase and headed out to my first white-collar job. Never discuss politics and religion, though here in the southeast I've also learned you got to be careful discussing sports sometimes mostly SEC football.

originally posted by: putnam6
That's the first thing my Dad told me as I borrowed his old briefcase and headed out to my first white-collar job. Never discuss politics and religion, though here in the southeast I've also learned you got to be careful discussing sports sometimes mostly SEC football.

It's always funny when people are shocked to find out that no one wants to hear about their political views at work.

Here's a pro tip for when you're at work: STFU and do your job.

I think the best way to decide if it is political or a fad is to see how these ideas are used by those that govern.
It all starts with good intentions.
The hippies made free love and took drugs because, why not? It didn't make sense not to do this. Depending on doing it moderately, like everything else in life.
However most people I knwo of that age group are just old normal people. With very few still being kind of wild.

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I wonder how that will play out for people who went under the knife to have their genital's and other body parts cut up to be the other gender.

Also during the hippie times we did not see schools and institutions force feed kids to be hippies and ending peoples careers over any criticism against hippies and drug use. There were also no psychotherapist holding seminars stating that they dream of shooting and killing people for not being hippies and professors at universities getting angry with students who do not agree with defunding the police.

This does not look like a fashion fad in the least at all.

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"If we can't, then we are literally not adult enough as a species."

In the grand scheme of it all we are not exactly adults, but babies indeed, our species being only 200,000 to a couple of million years old, in its present condition any road.

We refuse to learn from our past historical transgressions and have a penchant for repetition of previous generations mistakes.

We are not even united as the one race but split amongst factions that use imaginary lines on maps to dictate the class war that been running rife all thought-out recorded history.

I don't see humanity as adults, at least not collectively in any sort of meaningful manner.

We are babies that take huffs and chuck our toys out the pram with access big red buttons that can launch atomics from one side of the planet to the other.

The "woke" are quickly marching the US to totalitarianism.

When their primary method of disagreement on issues for the "woke" liberal left is doxing/social media bullying/getting people fired/destroying people's businesses/ destroying people's lives - we are marching to totalitarianism.

When the White House collects names of people for Facebook to ban because they said something the White House didn't like, and asks Facebook to ban them. When the White House demands that when one social media groups bans someone for ideology they don't like, that all other social media groups ban them as well. We are marching toward totalitarianism.

When Google admits that their home/nest listens to people's conversations without the prompt "hey google" in a legislative inquiry. We are marching toward totalitarianism.

When CRT pushed by the Biden administration, demands "discrimination to end discrimination" we are marching toward totalitarianism.

When Congresspeople in the US don't support the freedom movement in Cuba we are marching toward totalitarianism.

When Congresspeople support the firing of people for simply saying something that doesn't fit with their ideology we are marching toward totalitarianism.

When the party who won the election fights tooth and nail for there to be no audit of elections and demand the silencing of those who question elections, we are headed toward totalitarianism. If they won fair and square they would welcome the chance to prove it.

a reply to: andy06shake

The thing I find most interesting about Bernays is his heritage.

Freud was groundbreaking. The field of psychology was new, and the practices that sprang from it took a while to become practical in the real world. Bernays was early in that process. He heard and learned about psychology very young.

Freud was a double uncle. That is Freud' was brother to Bernays mother and Freud's wife was sister to Bernays father.
I never studied further into that but I can only imagine that little Eddie's education he was getting at home was far in advance of almost every other child of his generation.